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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    The concept of Brexit is that we can invite workers to come into the country when we need them - they can't come and live here as of right. In order to attract foreign workers, we need to pay decent wages and that's beginning to happen.

    The problems we're facing at present are a combination of 1. Transition to Brexit (emphasis on Transition) 2. Global pandemic 3 Europe-wide transport and energy problems

    We have record employment - there are a huge number of job offers around, and Sunak is putting up £500,000m to train those losing jobs post furlough.
     
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  2. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Ha, fair. I also thought as I posted it that you'd need to deduct (very basic) food and accommodation costs from that £4.62 but it gets a little sad when you realise people do actually do that.
     
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  3. Goldhawk-Road

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    Those Neo-Liberals preferring an unaccountable, and sometimes corrupt, club that is run for the benefit of the huge multinational companies that lobby them
     
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  4. Staines R's

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    I really don’t understand how many on the Liberal Left here don’t get that…..and see the EU as this workers utopia….it really ain’t.
     
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  5. Stroller

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    Yes, they wanted to get rid of foreigners.
     
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    Like most pro EU voters wanted cheap labour……that’s utterly disgusting IMO
     
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  7. Goldhawk-Road

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    Such a naive comment, Strolls. Playground stuff. If foreigners were the problem, how come there's been no complaint about the millions of EU citizens that are being granted settled status here?

    It was cheap labour undercutting the market, and it was numbers of immigrants that were putting huge stresses on services in some regions
     
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  8. Stroller

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    That's just disingenuous sugar-coating, Goldie.
     
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  9. Goldhawk-Road

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    I just think you see a BNP attitude in all Brexit voters, and it's just not there except among a few jaundiced extremists
     
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  10. Willhoops

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    Hang on I kept on being told people voted for a number of different reasons and you can’t group people together like that. Has that changed?
     
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  11. Star of David Bardsley

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    Yay for wage rises. Keep mentioning the wage rises. Doesn’t matter what the question is. Stick to the wage rises.

    Not so yay for real wage decreases. In the unlikely event someone asks, mention the wage rises again.
     
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  12. Willhoops

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    Are you talking about the Torys? Not sure the neo-liberal fits, but the rest is spot on.
     
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  13. Goldhawk-Road

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    I haven't group everyone together. I said it's what a lot of Brexit voters wanted. As Raving indicated, probably more up in the north
     
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  14. Goldhawk-Road

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    It's what the EU is. It's what Starmer and his colleagues fought to stay in. Even Corbyn never believed in it.
     
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    Yes but when other people suggested reasons why people voted, the rhetoric of you can’t talk for other people’s motivations were often bounded around, however that seems to have changed no?
     
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  16. Willhoops

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    Sounds exactly like the Torys to me. Found to have broken the ministerial code, no worries just get rid of the person who they hired to draw up the report and have the pm say all is fine, openly hand out peerages to donors, contracts to family and friends oh and of course donors, not a problem..
     
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  17. Goldhawk-Road

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    You can't speak for individuals, but you can identify categories like cheap labour problems, pressure on local services, security concerns at the border.

    It's not a stretch to say that a lot of people voted for Brexit because cheap labour was undercutting the market and causing a downward effect on wages.
     
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    Yeah, but you can vote the Tories out
     
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  19. Willhoops

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    Ok I’ll agree I did hear some people say that but certainly no more than people just wanting to get rid of foreigners because they don’t want ‘foreigners’ here, with no mention of the effect of wages
     
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    But it does Wills. Surely even someone with your blue and gold spectacles can see that ?
     
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