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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Chelsea

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Sep 17, 2021.

  1. BobbyD

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    Hi Claudelock
     
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    I did after the first goal!<laugh>
     
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    I think he's looked bright and inventive in the few minutes he's had so far.
    He needs to play in the same position as Son though, which is a big issue.
     
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    Selling out to a Russian criminal with close ties to a dictator? <whistle>
     
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    We could try Son on the right, he’s completely two-footed after all. Could be worth it if Gill is primarily going to thrive on the left.
     
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    I don't think Son plays as well there, to be honest.
    Having Gil play significant minutes in the cups and from the bench is a useful start, though.
    That probably leaves Moura and Bergwijn competing on the right, when they're fit.
    Or we can just stick Lo Celso there and watch him flounder. <doh>
     
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    yeah but would you rather be the spoilt and loved son of a questionable father aka rather than a child of a blood sucking vampire who tells you everythings fine as he gaslights and milks you for all you have? :p
     
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    Spoilt and loved?! <laugh>
    I'd rather not be the sportswashing tool of a mafioso ****bag who's too crooked for Switzerland, thanks.
    But at least he's not oppressing his own people, while also doing it to the Palestinians, eh?

    From Combat18 Utd to Oligarch FC.
     
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  9. Left on the Shelf

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    He seems to manage that on either side to be honest....
     
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    He's supposed to be an attacking midfielder, yet we never play him there.
    That's probably true of Ndombele and Alli too, though.
    Probably because we don't have a creative central or deep-lying midfielder in the squad.
    Square peg all over the place.
     
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    I'd love to be more positive about him, but he just looks half-assed - not adding any value. And even 'out of position' you'd expect to see something...some real commitment or ball skill.
    It must be in there, just well hidden to my eyes <laugh>

    But while we are on the subject of 'under-performers', what feckin' position are we meant to play Reggie in? Cos he's useless as a defender and no confidence on the ball in the final third. He gets an easy ride considering the amount of mistakes he makes. Really needs to up his game IMHO.
     
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    I don't think Reguilon's been that bad so far this season.
    He's improved aerially and his defending seems a bit more solid.
    It's been at the cost of his attacking instincts, though.
    That chance in the first half yesterday totally flummoxed him.
    Took forever, then made the wrong choice.

    I don't like the 4-3-3 and I don't think that we've got the players to use it regularly.
    That being said, I'm not sure what formation would work and what our first XI should be.
    We've only got one striker and he seems to have stopped playing as one.
    We don't have a central midfielder who can dictate play.
    The spine of the team is pretty ****ed up.
     
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  13. The Huddlefro

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    I’m starting to lean towards dumping the 433, though I’ve been supportive of it on here. Going back to a 4231 - obviously a similar formation but different roles in the team, with a dedicated 10 - might be beneficial. Tanguy, Gio, Dele or even Gill in the hole with less defensive duties, covered by Højbjerg and Skipp, might help us. You’re asking Højbjerg to be the progressive one in the pivot there, but I don’t see what other options we have.

    Nuno’s had a lot of **** to deal with and while I don’t agree with all his decisions, he deserves more time before people write him off. Poch’s first 10 league games were 4W, 4L and 2D. Coaches need time and Nuno has only had a couple of weeks in total where training hasn’t had groups of players removed for various reasons. I have no doubt that the adoption of his ideas and the fitness will come in the coming months, whether they are the right tactics and ideas of course is up for debate.

    The first half of the Chelsea game was really promising and then we just completely fell apart. I think some of that is fitness and mentality, some of that is Chelsea’s strength in depth. Skipp and Gill are two very good young players but to be able to bring in Kante to change a game like that is a luxury only a handful of teams in the world have.

    A lot of players need to step up and some even need to get fit again. Nuno also needs to change some things. I’m not enjoying watching Spurs right now but I’m hopeful it will change by the end of this year.
     
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    And having two days of additional rest may have given them another edge.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    We've been saying that for far too long, mate. Feels like every few weeks for the past 2-3 years we've been talking about how a number of players needing to step up (generally the same bunch as well) and it never happens, probably never will either.

    As for Nuno and things changing, I don't see it happening. Managers rarely change their ways, only very few do/ are capable of doing so. I think we'll be stuck with Nuno's conservative style until his two year deal ends or he's sacked, very much likely the latter in my opinion.
     
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    Yeah I agree we’ve been saying it for too long, especially about Gio, Bergwijn and Tanguy over the last 2 years. Moura is another culprit too who always looks bright but rarely posts the numbers. I’m holding onto hope that Nuno has on early showings revitalised Dier a bit and that he might be able to get some of the others firing given time but it has to be last chance saloon for quite a few of the squad now. Like you say though, it’s felt like that for some time.

    As for Nuno, I don’t necessarily mean him getting less conservative over time, I more mean his tactics and game plan getting more effective as players have more experience doing it on the pitch. At this point I don’t mind too much as long as it’s effective. FWIW my opinion is that he, like Poch, will start with the out of possession stuff and then build on that foundation to implement a plan for when we have more of the ball, but we won’t know until it happens, if/when it does.

    Right now everything is disjointed, we’ve had players out of the squad because of international ****ery, Kane and Son have been out of sorts or injured. The squad definitely isn’t at its full potential right now and it’s Nuno’s job to help them reach that and find solutions for when things are out of kilter. Whether or not he will at this point is pure conjecture, I’m probably more optimistic than you but it doesn’t really matter. I know we both want him to find the right solution but I don’t know if he’s able to or not. There’s a lot still wrong with the club and it worries me.
     
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    Apparently if you spend hundreds of millions (that cannot possibly be linked to revenue) you get a very good team. Who knew? Well none of the pundits if their fawning and general over-praising is anything to go by. And clearly these teams that cannot exist by any normal financial means are completely entitled to their success compared to those that try to keep their finances under control. Indeed, all the lesser teams should let their players go to these others because it's good for football. Except it isn't. None of this money stuff is sustainable and one day something will implode. Hopefully it will be Chelski when oligarch-guy (or his estate) ask for their money back. At which point all the pundits will say how sad we should be for the fans, but I won't hear them because I'll be laughing so much.
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Lo Celso isn't suited to English football. I don't see him ever making it here in England, he's the Argentinian Holtby, or alternatively a B-Tech Lamela.
    Ndombele could make it but I don't think he ever will as his attitude and application stinks. In his head I think he feels like he's already won the Balon d'Or, World Cup and Champions League and plays like he has nothing left to prove.
    I've held hope in Bergwijn to come good but truth is he'll just likely be another Moura, occasionally nice to watch but nothing more than a decent squad player, not a starter. The numbers for both guys are incredibly poor.

    As for Nuno, I think it's wrong manager, wrong time. He's been dealt a **** hand but he himself also deals **** hands with his selection and style. His career hasn't impressed me and first hand viewing of his Wolves side leads me to think he's no more than an average manager. Got a heavily backed Wolves promoted, outspent a lot in the Prem to then get a European spot, flopped at Porto, done well but faded at Valencia... There's just nothing that really screams he should've been the one for us and I think he's more or less showing why he was 7th of 8th choice.

    I've said previously I think he'll get a sufficient amount of results but I'm starting to wonder if I actually believe that. Team doesn't look like they know what they're doing, Kane and Son are being starved, no one else is excelling in their place to make his style worthwhile and after some below par and fortunate wins we've had back-to-back maulings in the Prem. It's early doors but a loss on Sunday and I think there'll already be a lot of pressure on him.
     
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    I thought the teams you are hinting at bought all the best kids, loaned them out then sold them for a massive profit? Surely other teams could do this if they were willing to take the risk?
     
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    I would have thought that Chelski would have had to sell an awful lot of younger players for massive profits to cover the amount they just spent on a player that was one of theirs to start with and they've effectively had to buy back?
     
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