Do wonder if klopp will rotate Matip for the CL and cups. Given we have Gomez and konate seems silly not to play one of them in the cup games with Matilda injury problems. Wouldnt want a case where neither have played 2 months into the season then suddenly Matip is out for a month and expect them to step up without any match fitness.
21st September. Norwich city. 8 days til konate is unleashed on the country. Kelleher Williams gomez Konate Tsimikas Keita Milner Jones Gordan Ox ? Given we have issues with the forwards how bad is mini me's knock?
Hopefully Taki isn't that bad given that Klopp isn't even bothering with Origi anymore. Looks like we're trying to force him out now.
well he's at least not made the squad but then again its up to him to push himself. Klopp's door will be open. Minamino for next week if fit but we will be needing a sub to come on for him but he won't be needed for this ac milan game.
Think I would prefer to see Konate as he is more of a physical presence (which could be important vs Giroud / Zlatan).
guys????? we literally just had 2 weeks off! Matip didnt play Alisson didn't Fabino didnt Thiago didnt henderson and trent had a week off for england (twat manager) keita had a relaxing week in a trench of bunker what on earth would we want to make changes no at the start of this busy epriod when this is a must win game. Same again please We play palace on saturday. think about then changes then. gomez in v palace for zaha? no problem. I'd rather we rotate in the prem where we know full well Palace, norwich (league cup) brentford are coming before Porto (huge one) and then City.
Because what has happened previously is irrelevant in terms of keeping players fresh. Matip played on Sunday but do you want him to vs Milan and then Palace? Are you expecting him to play a game every 2-3 days for the next month? A guy who has a horrible injury record. It's about being smart and getting players minutes and getting them sharp and fresh. If it's someone like Mo for example, then fair enough. He has a very good injury record and is robust enough to play most games. But there are players like Matip who are injury prone or VVD who are still coming back from a big injury.
No rest him against palace if you like. this game is must win. I am discussing this game in context of whats happened before (2 weeks no games) and whats going to happen after. Why bollock up a vital must win game? you've loads of games coming like norwich, brentford and palace to rotate some. yes there should be eye on city and porto games 100% but those eyes shouldn't start on the must win home game to set the CL group out well. there is literally zero point having a fully fit squad just to compete for 4th at the end again cos we bollock up the CL early is there? We need to win the games AND manage the squad. Lets be sensible with the players when the time is right. Matip could be given another 2 weeks off here without real issue. Palace, norwich brentford. once we get past city then matip gets another 2 weeks off. Milan, palace, norwich, brentford porto, city. thats the sequence. My view is matip could easily play all midweek games if we felt like it but you want him for BOTH porto and city. Lets not do an england cricket formula here and manage the players properly and not end up resting guy who didn't need to be rested, lose games and then be missing them later on ad losing more games!
Prem is more important and should be kept a settled side. cups is where we need to rotate. Matip struggles 2 games a week so just has to be rested and you need to get Gomes and konate game time at some point so that if an injury occurs they are match fit.
Also it’s not like talking about playing the kids. Konate is a 36m player. Gomez was first choice for last 2 years. Hardly like asking for vvd and Matip to be dropped for Phillips and Williams.
Can we win the palace game with Gomez? Can we win this Milan game without matip? I would contend Matip is smarter and better reader than gomez and Milan need to be read and balls cut out. Hes also has 2 weeks off so if he cannot play this we might as well forget him starting and wait for the inevitable. I would say for palace we need the pace so rotate there and use your players where the impact is least. That's all I'm saying.
yes and yes. But also has Matip shown in the past that he struggles for fitness playing 2 games a week and therefor the smart thing would be to rest him and therefor reduce the risk of him injury himself and being out for 6 weeks?
Yeah but if he cannot now after a full preseason plus 2 weeks off games then when can he ever? Itll be up to the medical team to actually make the call but if we want a settled.sdie then we might as well drop him now and play gomez and vvd in all the games
Or you know we used the thing called a squad so that we don’t play 11 players for 15 games straight then wonder why he had 5 players out injured and out form suddenly drops when we have to play 5 player who have no minutes under their belts 3 months into the season.
but its not 15 games straight? its 3 then 2 weeks off then 1 and I am only asking one more. As i said, rotate in the game where its going to be easier to win. If we look at the leeds game we took jota off on 82mins (no rotation possible up front) and thiago off on 93 mins. Its not like the boss is seeing the needs to hold up a board on 65mins and be cautious yet. Theres minutes for all v norwich and v palace and v brentofrd but really has klopp ever done differently? He's always led out in the first weeks of the season with the same players and has always had people say where's this player or that player (i firmly recall hearing about robertson, shaqiri and gomez in the past for example)
