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Match Day Thread Leeds Utd v Liverpool Match Thread

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Sep 9, 2021.

  1. Gessa

    Gessa Well-Known Member

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    Or they could just do a fairer system for all
     
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  2. oldschool

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    don't panic said mr mainwaring, so let's take a leaf out of his book, we played a superior team on the day in personnel,available subs,and more cash to spend!
    our slick passing game of last year isn't up to the mark at the moment and firing on all cylinders, llorente looked crestfallen when he went off and so was i because he is our best defender without a doubt.
    bill doesn't seem to be getting down the wing as much, stu dallas looks to have lost a bit of drive, raph has yet to show his real self, lord bam is making good runs but his control is lacking at the final touch etc.....but they have not become crap players just need to get into the clinical passing game again i'm sure they haven't forgotten
    how it goes.
    looking at the next 6 fixtures only the hammers look a side that could put a spoke in a revival.......toon up next and they are below us in the table <laugh>
     
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  3. Irishshako

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    <laugh> I don't know how past generations got through life.:grin:
     
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  4. Irishshako

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    <laugh>
     
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  5. Irishshako

    Irishshako Well-Known Member

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    True. But whatever they do someone will have a problem with it. <ok>
     
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  6. Gessa

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    Again true.
     
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  7. Irishshako

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    TBH Gessa, the only solution IMO is to raise the ground capacity. Which they've been talking about.<ok>
     
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  8. OLOF

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    Got my ticket for the Newcastle game Shako, in the home end, Tony and Paddy have distanced themselves from me and Chris though, the soft bastards are sat a few rows in front of us
     
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  9. Irishshako

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    <laugh> nice one OLOF, I'll keep an eye out for you being escourted out by your mates the boys in blue.:grin:
     
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    Leedsoflondon Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know, the way the geordies feel about Ashley and Bruce, they might be cheering us along with OLOF
     
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  11. Irishshako

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    <laugh>
     
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  12. OLOF

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    I can't remember if you met Paddy when we were in Dublin drinking shako, he has a couple of lads in Newcastle when he was married to a Geordie lass, he's a Newcastle fan and he got us the tickets.
     
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  13. Irishshako

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    Fair play to him. It's great having connections like that. Should be a good game. I have to say that after Leeds, Newcastle is my favourite city to go to. <ok>
     
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  14. oldschool

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    Just seen a swivel eyed moron on Twitter called Terry flewers ranting about Leeds and struicks tackle, now if this young man is of sane mind I will personally hand myself into the nearest asylum, check him out for some embarrassing lunacy, sorry no link shown to me by son in law I'm not on twatter <laugh>
     
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  15. ristac

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    On Monday, Elliott replied to an Instagram post saying Struijk had nothing to apologise for.

    He wrote: "Wasn't his fault what so ever! Neither was it a red card just a freak accident but these things happen in football. I'll be back stronger 100%. Thanks for all the support."
     
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  16. OLOF

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    Fair play to the lad , Its case closed then, the sending off should be reversed and the cheating ref sacked...... the ****
     
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    Hi everyone well it's that time of the year again.
    That khunt klopp needs to keep off the pitch.
     
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    All I know is that it was not a deliberate foul , it was accidental. Struijk must be forgiven, because he was unlucky.
     
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    There’s nothing to forgive regarding Struijk
    However I will not be forgiving Pawson and the fa and Kloperdi klop
     
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  20. Gessa

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    Football Association Regulatory Commission (the ‘Commission’)

    in the matter of a Wrongful Dismissal/ Excessive Punishment claim brought by Leeds United AFC (the ‘Club’) on behalf of Pascal Augustus Struijk (‘PS’)

    Regulatory Commission Decision

    1. These are the written reasons for a decision made by an Independent Regulatory Commission which sat on Tuesday 14th September 2021 via Microsoft Teams video conference.



    2. The Commission members were Mr. Stuart Ripley (Chairman), Mr. Marvin Robinson and Mr. Alan Knight all three of whom are Independent Football Members of the FA Judicial Panel.



    3. Mr. Paddy McCormack of the FA Judicial Services Department acted as Secretary to the Regulatory Commission.



    4. The Commission were advised on the Laws of the Game (LOTG) and their application by Mr. Steve Dunn of the Referee Advisory Panel. In particular, the Laws relating to Law 12: S1 Serious Foul Play and the factors considered by a Match Official when determining such an incident. Mr. Dunn of the Referee Advisory Panel remained available to answer questions with regard to the Laws of the Game, however took no part in discussions concerning the actual specifics of the case or the Commission’s decision.



    5. In order for a claim of Wrongful Dismissal to be successful the Player and/or his Club must establish by the evidence it submits that the Referee made an obvious error in dismissing the Player. The burden rests on the Player and/or his Club to prove this.



    6. The role of the Regulatory Commission is not to usurp the role of the Referee and to simply re-referee the incident.



    7. The relevant incident took place in the Leeds United AFC v Liverpool FC Premier League fixture on Sunday 12th September 2021.



    8. In his Official Report Form the Referee, Mr. Craig Pawson, stated, “I have to report that I, as the Referee sent off Struijk, Pascal Augustus of Leeds United AFC Under Law 12 section: S1



    9. In support of its claim the Club submitted four video clips of the incident that showed the incident from numerous angles and distances both at normal speed and in slow motion. One of the videos focused on the reactions and behaviour of the Liverpool Manager, Jurgen Klopp following the incident in question. The videos were accompanied by a letter dated 14th September 2021 signed by Mr. Angus Kinnear, the Club’s Chief Executive, for and behalf of the Club. The Letter from the Club set out in detail why, in the opinion of the Club, the dismissal of PS was wrongful. There was also a video submitted by The FA with multiple angles of the incident that was provided to the Club to assist the claim.



    10. The IFAB Laws of the Game definition of Serious Foul Play is as follows: A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.



    1. 11. The following practical information which is given to Match Officials was also considered: • Does the player have a chance of playing the ball in a fair manner?
    2. • Can the player legitimately play the ball without putting his opponent at undue risk?
    3. • What degree of speed or intensity is the player using when making the challenge?
    4. • What is the distance the player has travelled to challenge for the ball?
    5. • Is the player making the challenge off the ground/airborne and in control of his actions?
    6. • What was the position of the feet of the player making the challenge?
    7. • Did the player lead with his studs showing when making the tackle?
    8. • Does the player show clear malice or brutality when making the challenge?
    9. • Does the challenge clearly endanger the safety of the opponent?


    This list is not exhaustive nor is it a requirement that all elements are made out to satisfy the offence. 4



    12. The Commission viewed the available footage of the incident on numerous occasions and considered carefully the written submissions from the Club, with the practical information and the relevant IFAB LOTG definition from Mr. Dunn in mind.



    13. The video footage of the incident showed the ball arriving at the feet of the Liverpool player, Harvey Elliott (‘HE’), who takes the ball slightly across the path of PS who is tracking back. From just behind HE, PS takes to the air and makes a scooping challenge / tackle in an attempt to take the ball away from the advancing HE. PS emerges with the ball and immediately lays it off to a team mate. HE goes to ground and is seriously injured as a consequence of PS’s trailing leg coming down heavily on his ankle. PS is dismissed by the Referee.



    14. The Commission were split 2:1 as to whether the Referee had made an obvious error in sending off PS for Serious Foul Play. The majority view was that PS had endangered the safety of HE by lunging in to the challenge in the manner that he did, from behind HE. PS did not make first contact with the ball with his leading right foot, the ‘tackling foot’. It was, in fact, his trailing left leg that had made contact with the back of both HE’s legs, with his left upper shin coming down onto the ankle of HE, prior to his left knee/thigh making contact with the ball, seriously injuring HE in the process. The majority view was that PS was not fully in control of his airborne attempt to take the ball away from HE and the ‘tackling right foot’ only made contact with the ball, after full contact with HE was made, and the ball had come off PS’s left knee, and as such he had unduly endangered the safety of HE in a manner that could be categorised as Serious Foul Play. Thus, the Referee had not made an obvious error in dismissing PS.



    15. The minority view was that PS had made a challenge that one sees often in football and that the contact and subsequent injury caused to HE was simply an unfortunate accident. This particular member feels that a certain level of endangerment exists in every tackle or challenge made on the football pitch, fair or otherwise. The challenge made by PS did not unduly endanger the safety of HE over and above the inherent level of endangerment that will always exist when two players come together in a physical challenge. To the mind of this Commission member PS was entitled to make the scooping challenge in the manner that he did, he was not out of control and did not show any malice or brutality and as such the Referee had made an obvious error in sending PS off.



    16. Thus, by a 2:1 majority decision the claim for Wrongful Dismissal was deemed to have failed.



    17. With regard to the Club’s claim in the alternative that application of the Standard Punishment would be excessive in the circumstances, the Commission members were unanimous that there was nothing extraordinary about the incident that could justify a reduction from the Standard Punishment.



    18. Pursuant to the relevant Regulations, this decision of the Regulatory Commission is final and binding, and there shall be no right of appeal from decisions made by Regulatory Commissions under Fast Track 4 or Fast Track 5.



    Stuart Ripley Regulatory Commission Chairman

    14th September 2021
     
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