I'm not sure what Baz has to do to please everyone but as far as I can see he has done nothing absurd or particularly wrong so far. He kept with recent tradition by appointing a manager from within, it's certainly not his fault we haven't got off to a flyer. He appears to have made money available without spending beyond our means, I think we should at least be giving him the benefit of the doubt at this point. It is also interesting that at the start of the season everyone here was saying that is would be a tough year and we would have to just avoid relegation for it to be a success and we'll all be patient. Now we are not into November nor are we in the relegation zone (yet) and still we have got half the supporters (and that is of the intelligent bunch on this board) calling for his head. Let's remember this is his first season as a manager, surely we would be better giving him the chance to learn from mistakes?
Agree with Hockdude about Baz Normally I would be in the camp of giving a new gaffer more time ,if the signs of improvement ,quality or good football were around the corner! at present they are not, thus I feel that the longer he is in charge the deeper the hole we are going to be in ! As stated I really hope I am horribly wrong and would love to blow the diet and scoff lots of humble pie! It is worrying that a few folk are saying this is the worst watford side they have seen for years !
Agreed Norway, that is worrying, but i do think it will get better. The talent is there, we just have to find a way to use it right. And keeping the thread on track, Bas is an Amateur in as much as he has had nothing to do with football, and that he has managed to not be that successful in business. Losing all those backroom staff was a blow, but there are some good, professional people behind the scenes, who i believe will keep us on track. It just takes time...we're all just being way too impatient at the moment imho.
To be fair i think the people saying this is the worst team in years have got pretty short memories, we have had some pretty bad teams! I agree the lack of quality is a concern but I do also think that the results haven't been representative of (most) the games so far this season and if we could get one of our strikers (or anyone at all) scoring then it could turn around. Even at the weekend for all the frustration if we had scored first I have no doubt we would have won the game.
that's all also very true. Though i do think maybe the first 7 or 8 games we deserved more, but i think perhaps confidence is sliding, because we haven't come close to scoring of late. At least at the start of the season we were creating chances...
What exactly are those signs and how do you know that they are not around the corner? Do you have a hitherto unsuspected talent for looking into the future and have had a look?
That I agree with H, confidence is definitely looking dented. Fans getting on their backs probably isn't helping either! I think its quite interesting that some of our better results (there aren't that many!) have come away from home where there is less expectation and the restlessness of the crowd is not there.
I think the problem is more fundamental than sliding confidence,although this certainly doesnt help ! The problem is lack of pace , creativity and worst of all intelligence! to a degree a lack of pace can be covered up by clever play, but playing hoofball to Marv and garner isnt intelligent and if the majority of us can see they need a throughball played to feet ,why cant they ? The tactics employed have been questionable to say the least! subs used ditto! The lack of cutting edge is glaring ! that defeat to Derby even so early on could be season defining! If we had won that one, who knows where things might have gone! The fact is we didnt , we are repeating same mistakes and not learning from them , this falls under the intelligence bracket again! How to change this , the logical start is getting the boss to learn and try something else try something different! we are very easy and predictable which must make us easier to play against!
Yeah the crystal ball always go black when I ask it about watford this cannot be a good portent I fear!
Agreed. Anyone who was around in the early 60's & early 70's would do so too. I would even contend that most of the players from our first two promotion teams would struggle to match our current crop for skill. What's now different is the organisation - SD must be aware of the need to change and should really be given the opportunity to make that change.
So how long should it take to get things organised BB when you were teaching a new class how long did it take you to get things organised to how you wanted them! Damn sure it wasnt months!
Sean needs help and I`m not sure he is getting the right help , bringing your mate in as no 2 is all well and good , but maybe just maybe that should have been a GT decision to select him a mentor!
You're out of touch with modern education, norway - these days it's how the kids want things, not how the teachers want them And because of the nature of today's children, things most certainly do take months to 'sort' - classroom organisation is a living, ongoing thing in which tactical changes are always required. Mind you, unlike football managers apparently, teachers are permitted an appropriate amount of time to implement, assess and change those tactics, and do so with the full knowledge and backing of their management.
Nah BB Kids always want things What I was trying to suggest was how long did it take you to get the basic structure in place so that it could evolve and teach the kids to best effect , I damn well hope it wasnt months!
Teams do a lot more research into their opponents now and I think opposition managers are finding it easier to both nullify us and score against us, every opponent must know that we look to hit Forsyth and can move to stop it, that we are slow and can play a high line and that our defenders aren't that comfortable on the ball and should be pressed. If there was any promise in the earlier part of the season (and that is debatable) that may be due to the element of surprise. Unless he changes something Leicester will have done their homework and will know how to beat us. I reckon he might start with Iwelumo tonight, he fits the way Dyche seems to want to play and if he is fit he should probably come back in.
