As I have said I cannot bring fair comment on whether Dyche should go as I have not seen us play but if some of the comments are to be believed we are playing terrible football and Sd is "one dimensional" with poor tactical nous - well that and less than a point per game is a fairly "strong" case for the prosecution. To be honest in writing this thread I was focussing more on the amateur nature in which our club s being run rather than on whether SD should go as there are other threads on that - can anyone else remember when we had less "football" people involved in the top decision making. Baz does not have it and has not fgot a Bertie Mee or Burkinshaw to advise him - we have GT but I am not sure he is willing to "have his say"
That second paragraph is a very good point Leo. GT's main roles are to keep telling people on and off the pitch that what we are aiming for is achieveable, and to act as a "nuclear detterent" should Bassini go into the sort of incompetence, perceived malpractise and/or dangerous denial that previous regimes have been guilty of. He goes out of his way to stress that he has nothing to do with the football side of things.
Hi all. New on Not606, having being a contributor on the previous BBC 606, but have followed it with interest. I am not defending SD, as I do believe the jury is well and truly out. However, I don't believe it is right to lay all the blame on SD or Baz for our our current predicament. There seems to be a general 'rose tinted' view of how things were before under Malky. If you have a look at last seasons results, from the away loss at Cardiff in January, we played 22 games, of which we won 4, drew 7 and lost 11. A record every bit as bad as the current season, and a record achieved under Malky while playing the likes of Hodson, Wichelow, Bennett etc. Basically SD has done no worse than Malky did for the 2nd half of last season yet we 'shouldn't have let Malky go'? SD knew this and knew radical changes were made to the squad. Has he made the correct ones within the constraints of a budget? Are the tactics right? Time will tell. But we are kidding ourselves if we believe the 2nd half of last season was any better than this season so far. SD may prove to be the wrong appointment over time, but again if you look at Boothroyd, Rodgers and Malky they were all untried, inexperienced and all could have been labelled as the 'cheap options'. Maybe we got lucky before and our luck has run out with another 'cheap option', but we are putting our heads in the sand if we think the current situation is different than it has been in previous years.
Agreed Leo. The loss of some valued members of staff seems to have taken its toll and the new people need to get up to speed quickly! Stephenson was a big loss imo because we seemed to have gone off track from our business model,instead buying in some pretty average players and stunting the development of our academy products who of the newbies could we sell on at a profit worth cashing in on! Baz, I think the juries still out! in his defence he has delivered on his promises thus far! yet his motives and business acumen and track record all raise concern! Assuming No fairy godmother is going to step in! we have to live within our means and I think the club is going down the rightroad in this respect, however sometimes a business needs a stimulus to avoid stagnation, I think we are close to this point! The most important thing this season and next is to avoid any large revenue reductions (read relegation). To this end the product on the pitch is vitally important ,My concern is we arent good enough to achieve these goals!
Welcome Goldentrue - very good first post. You are spot on about Malky's record towards the end - looking back I wonder if he had "left mentally" when Baz was appointed.
I think you may have a point there Leo ,or at the very least started to look elsewhere ! He did turn down a couple of job offers(burnley for one) under the old regime ,yet when Baz rocked up MM was off like a shot!! Was it purely money motivated or did he know something not yet in the public domain, or was it just he didnt want to carry on after having his team dismantled again!
We all talk about how, under Malky, our performances dipped in the latter half of the season. How do we know the opposite won't happen under Dyche? It is impossible to judge Dyche's ability based on 10 games. It takes many managers a number of seasons before being labeled as an accomplished manager. I am all for giving people an opportunity. But, is it too risky for Watford to be gambling on an manager of Dyche's ilk? I think so. Watford are in dire straits at the moment. No money (someone tell Bassini), dwindling support a building site of a stand. To be relegated from the Championship could well be the straw that breaks the hornet's back. It is a shame. I really admire Dyche, and desperately want him to succeed. To hear phrases like "sack him" and "Dyche out" can only be negative to a young manager at the dawning of his new career. But, unfortunately, I don't feel Watford are in a position to "experiment". What we need, ahead of money, a stable owner qnd 4 sided ground, is the ability to see into the future.
If he loses the faith of the fans and the players then he is surely going to be on his way. But GT as a former manager is likely to be supportive and Bas may not want to admit he made a mistake so quickly so I am inclined to think he will be given more time. Totally agree on the 'Amateurs' comment, a lot of long serving and influential people have gone and that can't be good for morale for those who are still there. As SD didn't even have a period as Caretaker he was a massive unknown quantity so I would have to hope that his contract will allow a termination without too high a compensation package. There are lots of good managers and coaches out there who are unemployed or working in the lower leagues so we shouldn't feel like we don't have options within our budget.
And equally, there are many on here calling for a new manager now - how do we know that any new appointee will fare any better than SD? If, after only 11 games, he is doing no better, or even worse, will the call to oust him too start ringing around these boards? Do we really want to be going into Xmas looking for our third manager of the season? I don't as I don't want us to end up as big a laughing stock as that 'mob-up-the-M1-who-lost-at-home-to-Wrexham-last-night'!
Just to lighten things up a bit, how about this fella as a long shot (pun intended). Also check out some other potential movers. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/19102011/58/premier-league-paper-round-beckham-choices.html
You could have had Victoria as marketing and business manager ,she has been a shrewd one! Becks footballing contacts would have been useful for loanees , and he a quid or two spare!
Welcome Goldentrue ..and what a great opening post. I agree with what you say, we're being rash. We need to give him more time.
Wonder if Becks is the backer now and Baz is the front man ,that would make me a lot happier somehow I think not though!
