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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Staines R's

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    Was just about to say the same…..I would have thought the ‘Bukake’ bit gave it away….and the fact it says ‘Parody’ in the bio :)
     
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    Nope, that one passed right over me. Anyway, I'm going to find out more about "her" because we're now following each other on Twitter.

    PS in hindsight, the fact that she represents the Welsh constituency of Pant-y-Down gives it away too.
     
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    I would concentrate all my efforts on the pornstar Goldy!!
     
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    For a moment there, I thought Wales had a pretty progressive MP!
     
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    General Sir Nick Carter, Chief of Defence Staff, says ‘everyone got it wrong’ over the speed with which the Taliban took over Afghanistan and that ‘we didn’t realise what they were up to’ on the deals the Taliban struck with local officials and military officers which lead to opposition melting away.

    Shame that, because it’s the way business has been conducted within the geographical area known as Afghanistan since….forever. Alliances are made and broken, bribes offered and accepted, sides changed daily. But I can understand how the intelligence agencies of all of NATO’s members can miss this, since you need to be a historian to work it out. Or simply to have read George MacDonald Fraser’s magnificent Flashman, which deals with the first Afghan war in the 1840s and, weaponry involved aside, could pass as a description of recent events - except that it’s very funny and brilliantly researched. And involved intelligence.

    Blame game continuing. Johnson said the collapse of the Afghan government was very predictable a couple of days ago, contradicting his Chief of Defence Staff and Foreign Secretary. But no one cares anyway, so he can say what he likes. Today he will be concentrating on getting the young to pay for my imminently required social care. Even if he gets away with this gigantic con I won’t be voting for the fat gammony twat.
     
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    I would never vote for the fat lying twat either nor have any opposition come up with a credible solution to social care, hence why he will get away with this manifesto promise farce.
     
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    blimey
    is he still going
    should people be allowed to see roy
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    i would vote for her
     
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    According to you a Yougov poll, 125% of UK voters don't think lying arsehole ministers should be sacked.
     
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    | BREAKING: The Government is ‘planning an October lockdown’ should hospitalisations continue at their current level and threaten to overload the NHS, Via @theipaper
     
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    bloody brexit
     
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    Latest from Zarah. Gives "oral sex" a whole new meaning
     
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    I just had a brainwave. Instead of increasing National Insurance to pay for social care, why don't we use the £350m a day Brexit savings?

    Must pass this on to Boris Johnson.
     
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    Better still…..why not have a one off tax for the Uber rich ? (Not our Uber of course)
     
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    Because a one off tax won’t cover the costs which will continue, and continue rising, permanently. The tax would need to go on forever as well. Fine by me, but the sums involved would need an interesting definition of ‘Uber rich’, ie ‘earning a bit over the average’. The share dividend stuff presumably meets with your approval? Good on the surface for getting stuff from fat cats, but not so great for all those self employed who pay themselves in dividends from sole trader companies. Who will also be paying on the salaries they pay themselves. A lot of these are not what I would describe as ‘rich’.

    It’s not clear to me whether this 1.25% rise in NI, which is then going to be turned into a new payroll tax, is strictly ringfenced for health and social care, or whether, like current NI, it just goes into government coffers. Either way it’s not enough, especially as it seems to be for making up shortfalls in NHS funding not just social care. Anything given to local government to spend on social care is at risk because the central government is cutting central funding with its other hand, while demanding more from education etc, plus some local authorities are very poorly run and in huge debt.

    The Germans dealt with this, in a cross party agreement, twenty years ago as they saw the problems that we have known about for decades and did something about it - a 2.5% ringfenced social care tax on income, which is also intergeneration-ally fairer because it’s also levied on those who have retired on generous pensions - which are of course income (Tories can’t do this because they rely on the grey vote. They can relax the triple lock this year because COVID and the furlough scheme have skewed the figures on wage rises in a bizarre way). They also centralised the running of social care because local government couldn’t keep up with changes. Health is covered by other equitable insurance schemes. It’s not perfect but it’s vaguely progressive and a bit fairer, it’s a collective insurance system where the risk is pooled ( Half of the over 60s in the U.K. never access any kind of social care, and only 10% end up costing more than £100k, it’s just hard to tell in advance who will need what) I don’t know why we didn’t just copy them. Presumably because they are foreign, and our government has ‘not invented here’ syndrome.

    This is better than the existing non system, but an all party approach so we don’t get endless fiddling with it, would have helped. And a realisation that the tax will need to go up.
     
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