You say he can't be arsed, but he was improving and showing much effort under Mourinho. Do you think he would have made it anywhere near Mourinho's regular team without being ale to work? This defies all logic. The constant narrative of him not trying and being unfit has been exaggerated after the point of him working his way into the team. He was in great shape at the end of Mourinho's term. I imagine his enthusiasm took an almighty dip when he was shifted out in favour of Winks the point of the cup final by Mason. Potentially his biggest game since arriving, no explanations. Mate! Lucas was dropped for Kane! KANE!! Surely you of all people can't be comparing that to Winks! Yes, I agree that Lucas should be applauded for his attitude to the entire situation, but I'd still understand if he was a little pissed. I agree that Lucas was done dirty not to be starting, but at least he was subbed on in the final. What do you know about his application to the cause? Does he not train like the other players do? Have you seen him looking overweight, or out of shape this season? I think it is easy to throw this stone at Ndombele repeatedly without knowledge. It's assumed more often than it is backed up by fact. It's a label that sticks regardless of what he does, in my humble opinion. He had a weight issue, yes. I also think it was related to the stress of the new environment etc. He did a lot of work to improve. This is obvious. Has he let himself go since? I'm not sure he has. How are you so sure? Also, speaking of overweight players, Huddlestone was overweight for years with us. Slow too. Turned like a truck. Yes he had positives, but nobody was anywhere near as negative or dismissive about him. It took many a manager to finally get him into better shape. The club worked with him. The fans supported him. I was never written off as hopeless. I know times, and the circumstances, are different, but the contrast in vitrol levels is clear. There is less empathy for Ndombele and I think it is unhelpful and unfair. Bad attitude is bad attitude, and I make no excuses, only possible explanations. I don't know what exactly what goes on behind closed doors. I feel that people are forgetting however that he had a whole new change of attitude under Mourinho that got him into the team. All I'm saying is I understand why he might be pissed, having done all of that work, if he is dropped like a dead weight for Winks with little explanation and no clear route back into the team. Were you not surprised that he wasn't played in the Caribao Cup final? The fact that that a lot of fans seem to have little understanding where he is concerned, puzzles me. If I remember correctly, you were also of little hope that Kane would stay, I was 'setting myself up for massive disappointment'. I have more hope that you in this situation also. I don't think his combination of issues has been properly, or effectively, addressed. Hopefully now that he is isolated from the distraction of leaving, both he and Nuno can focus on solutions that get him into his best form and back onto the pitch. Nuno, thankfully, seems to be focussed on best preparing the players. Hopefully that can now include Ndombele.
I am going on what I saw when he played under Mourinho. What did he actually contribute? He was slow and static in the games I watched maybe one or two games where he showed some ambition. Players like this always attract their following because they are capable of clever stuff with a football just like Taarabt was. Ali Gold is a fan so presumably was Pochettino, but interestingly not such a fan that he wanted him back at PSG. I don't think Spurs can afford the luxury of such players because we always have a tendency to buy 'flashy' players anyway. It's why we were/are considered a soft touch by many in the game. I would much rather see what happens with Lol Celso if he manages an injury free season. He has the potential and certainly runs around a bit more than an armour plated tank with part time heat seeking missiles.
He was put back in the team because Levy clearly had a word with Jose. We even saw in the doc that Ndombele wanted out but Levy intervenes. Jose would’ve binned him off that summer otherwise but his boss likely told him the club needed to get something out of their record investment and couldn’t afford to take a major hit. And just what exactly did we see overall from Ndombele when he did play? A few take ons? Sure. A great goal against Sheffield? Sure. Did he actually control games? Did he ****. Was he responsible for a number of wins? No. Was he often struggling to play 90 minutes? Yes. As for being in “great shape” by the end of Jose’s term, utter nonsense. He managed to complete 90 mins just 6 times last season in the Prem. As for Lucas, Kane could’ve come into that side for any other player bar Son and no one would’ve complained. He came back in for the one guy that got us to that semi final. That very guy has never let his head drop despite the massive kick in the bollocks and to this day still grafts his arse off even if he isn’t the most consistent. You only need a pair of eyes to see that Ndombele would start puffing at 60 minutes. Prior to that he was struggling to last a half. He was unfit, out of shape and for a professional footballer that’s just unacceptable, let alone one of the highest earners at Tottenham and club record signing. Everyone was surprised he was dropped for Winks in the final. I’m still dumbfounded to this day that Winks is still a professional footballer let alone on the books of a big six club but none of that changes the fact Ndombele’s attitude, application and mentality is woeful and it doesn’t matter how much talent he has, until he sorts his **** out he’ll never go on to reach his potential.
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Anyone got a breakdown of the Spurs transfers and prices? I thought that Gollini and Romero fees wouldn’t be included because they’re loans to buy
https://www.squawka.com/en/comparison-matrix/?compare=CmwtNe8LiIm2b3bd9CNon He's arguably the most creative CM we have. He's scored more than any of the others too. Draws fouls. In a team that cries out for creativity it seems weird to dismiss his contributions. Play him with Skipp and Hojbjerg behind and see what he can do for us.
The disclosed prises work out as In £21m for Gil £25m for Emerson Out €15m for Foyth £13m for Alderweireld (contrary to what The Sun claimed) £3m for Sissoko
You won't win an argument with me using stats. They can tell you every thing and nothing. Is that why we bought him? Football is played on grass not paper.
Er…. what? Pochettino signed him. Jose played him often in what looked like his best season with us, until it wasn't. Mason didn't play him and won nothing, slipped out of the European race that we were in prior I think history tells us they can all be wrong, especially as far a Spurs are concerned, with the arguable exception of Nuno. Let's just see what happens, eh.
I would take Huddlestone over Ndombele every day of the week, he was never going to run passed people admittedly, but that wasn't his game, but he had a great range of passing and I would suggest had a lot more good games for us and won us more points with goals and assists than Tanguy has so far.
Poch had Eriksen Mourinho said’ Lo Celso earned his permanent transfer’ Mason is best buddies with Winks Nuno has only had 5 proper games. Give him more time to see who he thinks is better between Dele and Lo Celso I think that there are situations where Dele should play and others for Lo Celso. That is what Nuno gets the big bucks for. If (big if I know) N’Dombele gets his arse in gear he will come into the reckoning as well. Now that the defense has been improved none of them will have to do so much defensive work
Loved Tommy Hudd, though probably not as much as @The Huddlefro . Would argue he wasn't overweight too, he was just physically a big/ hench bloke. Didn't struggle playing 90 minutes either.
Thats a bit harsh he was in charge for 10 (?) matches. Yes he had a cup final amongst them, but we have had plenty of managers with much more time at the helm deliver the same number of trophies (0). We will never know if Ndombele had played if any of the results would have been different, but based on his level of performance its unlikely that the things would have panned out much different
Poch couldn’t get him performing, Jose couldn’t get him performing, Mason didn’t rate him and neither does Nuno. How long and how many chances do you want to give the guy?
On a side note, there's something satisfying about Jules Kounde not getting the big money move he was assuming he'd be offered Don't suppose Sevilla fancy swapping French footballers who thought they'd get big money moves but didn't in January?
Harsh? Maybe. You're right, we don't know. The same unlikeliness could be claimed for Mourinho being the manager for the final. I'd rather have Mourinho managing for the final though, if my life depended on Spurs winning. Just as I'd rather have had Ndombele playing. I imagine despite the narrative suggesting the player is useless, I imagine Mourinho would have played him in the final also.
Huh? Poch said he would need time, as most players do coming from other leagues. Poch was then axed before he had the chance to get him performing. Jose got him performing better than most of our CMs. What do you mean? How do you know Nuno doesn't rate him? Has he said this? He claimed he wanted out, as did Aurier. This could well be the reason that neither were played. Aurier has since been let go. Now it looks like Ndombele isn't going anywhere soon, let's see what happens. Why are folks hyper judgemental, and tending to slant history negatively, when it comes to Ndombele? Do fans think the players are this judgemental and negative about these players when they train with them?
Ndombele actually had very high stats for pressing and defending last season, rather bizarrely. I don't think that he was up to the task of playing Mourinhoball, though. He faded out of games quite often or drifted in and out. Wasn't fit enough to do it for 90 minutes. Espirito Santo's system is a bit different and it could suit him, if he puts his head down and works. The club need to sell him on the idea of earning that move to one of those clubs. They've made it clear that they're not interested at the moment and he needs to change that.
