So the referee is supposed to be able to differentiate between someone playing for time & the majority who need attention? or are you saying they all should be treated the same, so anyone who needs treatment has to go off for 5 mins?
I get exactly what you're saying and the reason you're saying it. The latest example for us was watching Azpilicueta roll around holding his face when there was no contact whatsoever. It is just plain cheating. Feigning a face or head injury is actually quite sinister. I don't know how you stop it.
Post match red cards would stop it pretty quick. If they banned players for a game for simulation it would quickly cut back the number of fakers. Might not stop people falling over easily under minimal contact where it is hard to prove, but it would stop people falling over under no contact. Every foul should be watch after the game and reviewed for fakery.
Well, if someone taps your shoulder and you simulate a head injury, that should be able to pick up from camera. It certainly can't stop all simulation but it can stop the more egregious ones.
Mito’s point is correct. Somethjng needs to be done to stop the play acting and time wasting and they tried it with forcing players off the pitch but it’s not a deterrent as generally the ball is whacked back to the goal keeper and player comes on before even reaches them. Something needs to happen, but it’s hard to think of what. In theory you’re trying to differentiate between when someone actually needs treatment and when someone doesn’t which, especially in the age of safety first, is a tricky thing to do. I don’t have an answer. Ideally you’d like players to police it themselves. Maybe the only way is through embarrassment. For the super obvious ones put them in front of a camera, show them the incident and ask them a question about it. ask them why did you roll around 5 times on the floor from when someone tickles your arm from a corner? And if they think that’s a good example to set children?
Just carry on playing unless player is obviously badly injured which is what they are actually meant to do .
I can't say I've ever seen him fake a head injury, other injuries yes, definitely. I think with Mané it comes from sheer frustration at being thrown from pillar to post and getting nothing.
That's exactly what he's suggesting. Ridiculous eh...? We all understand what he was getting at, the idea he put forward was the bit being ridiculed!
I don't think Mané does it as much as he used to. I remember in his first year or so with us he'd roll over several times when he went down which was definitely embarrassing, but I think he's less prone to it now.
God. Just realized. Ronaldo is back now. It was him and Drogba that pioneered the art of diving in Britain. I remember when it was just the two of them doing it with regularity. Now everyone does it all the time. To be fair though on that video, some of those were more people tripping over their own feet rather than actual dives.
well i remember Frannie Lee who was then copied by Rodney Marsh doing a perfectly good demonstration of diving well before "foreigners" came to play here .
You have to remember these guys are holding everyone hostage to fortune. If you are the ref who plays on when someone drops like christian eriksen or ignores a broken leg or whatever you are the worst in the world. Crowds bay for the game to stop all the time to play into this stuff. Once again I will point to rugby. First they brought in a deeply unpopular head injury rule and you had the Johnny big balls types whinging and saying it wasnt rugby, then they had the likes of New Zealand going in head shotting players to get them taken off. In other words resistance to change and cynical cheating, exploiting rule changes. Sound familiar. Rugby has had to convince media and pundits to tell the story properly and put in rules where head shot is a red card. It helps the refs get to explain the ruling as they dish out the card. What we have in football is massive endemic cheating that was attempted to be dealt with in different ways. Go off the shortest way, have to leave the pitch if treated etc etc. Do we really want to wait until we get to a point like rugby where the games are ruined by red cards? Where it's already time wasting free for all? I would personally like to see less focus on making the game on contact and more focus on cleaning up the dark arts stuff that kills the game
