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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

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    So what next?

    really surprisingly that as soon as the allies pulled out the Taliban just walked straight in.

    Stevie Wonder could see that one coming FFS.

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  2. Rum & Black for 2

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    In reality it depends upon whether any terrorist activity comes out of Afghanistan once the Taliban take control.

    If it does then the UN go in. If not, nothing.
     
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  3. Ben 10

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    Send Bruce there
     
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  4. Toonitus

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    Should've let them get on with it and stayed out of it in the 1st place.
     
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  5. Albert's Chip Shop

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    UN are utterly useless. If the Son of Hitler rose to power they’d do nothing but ask him nicely not to annex neighbouring states.

    where were they with Crimea?
     
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  6. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Got to respect the Taliban as fighters, undefeated in every conflict. Patience like no other. Just retreat to the hills, never give up.

    Brilliant. 20yrs. **** all achieved. Far better just staying out of other countries business. All we've done is helped them grow through bad blood towards us. They've increased the terrorist threat by making the Taliban bigger than ever and engendering a deep inbuilt hatred towards us.

    Our western governments will of course use this threat they've created to justify various things in the future. A few invasive laws etc. Rinse and repeat. 3500 lives sacrificed for absolutely no reason whatsoever. Our leaders over the past 100 yrs are to blame for most of this ****. We've armed and trained most of these people.
     
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    Interfering and ****ing about

    If they got involved they should have exterminated them ..

    Just blow the entire Eastern hemisphere off the face of the earth and start planting trees there.
     
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  9. Warmir Pouchov

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    <laugh>
     
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    Extreme!!
     
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    Sounds bad but essentially I'm saying they shouldn't get involved because unless you blow up the entire Eastern hemisphere it'll start up again.
     
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    Disqualified from this year’s Prediction League.
     
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  14. It's_all_Greek_to_me

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    Had no business getting involved in the first place.

    A reaction to 9/11 which wouldn't have happened had the US kept their noses out of the middle east.
     
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    That's a bit rich coming from you Roy

    You spent the past year digging them up!

    And they didn't even belong to you <laugh>
     
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  16. Warmir Pouchov

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    I'm sure this whole affair had nothing to with the estimated $1-3 trillion worth of untapped minerals in the area. Like 2 chinese firms didn't invest $4 billion to start mining one of biggest untapped copper deposits with a worth of $86 billion. Or the estimated 1.8 billion tons of high quality iron open to international bidding.

    I'm sure those little titbits are all just coincidental.

    The speed at which they've withdrawn and passive nature with the Taliban suggests a deal has already been done with them for a long term strategic partnership. China and the US have been hovering over this area for decades for a reason - and it ain't goodwill <laugh>
     
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    opium?
     
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    I don't know how people can be so naive and spend their time posting pathetic feel sorry for afghan social media posts. These governments care only about two things - power and wealth. They don't give a **** about people, they don't give a **** about public health, they don't give a **** about making sure the people of a country are protected, they don't give a **** about a long lasting solution to **** all unless they are getting paid. Forgive me if I can't be arsed with a load of ****ing liberal airy fairy social media posts on this subject. We will again be asked to pay for the humanitarian act of refuge as a direct result of these greedy feckers. They know the liberals will just keep saying "ah but its not the afghan peoples fault we need to help them". Rinse and repeat.

    They probably have got **** hot opium and weed though :emoticon-0103-cool::emoticon-0176-smoke
     
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  19. Maximin Effort

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    The problem is that the Afghan gov didn't give a **** about its people, the Afghan military was corrupt enough that it made up troop numbers so that it could get more cash from the government. So when you actually have half the number of troops you say you do then stopping the Taliban becomes a bit more difficult.
    Then there's the UK gov who won't allow 35 students into the country because the visas are too difficult to sort out. Why not just let them on the planes and figure out the ppw later.
    On top of that there are Afghan interpreters who have been working with the US and UK troops that have been left behind. They have relevant cause for seeking asylum.
    Then you have women who worked and studied for diplomas and judicial jobs etc who now have to destroy/ hide their accomplishments and are at risk of being handed over as a Taliban bride. There are plenty of people that deserve help and I don't see how offering to help them is a bad thing.

    To change a cultural outlook you need to be in a country for longer than 20 years. You're talking a century. Full on colonialisation and empire times sort of thing so that the old ways are no longer in living memory and the populace has grown up in a different way. 20 years occupation just gives the non corrupt citizens hope of a lasting life of greater freedoms before it is taken away from them
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Blaming the Afghans for this mess isn't correct for me. Undoubted corruption I get that. Who overseen all this though? Who was responsible for installing governance? Oh thats right we were, so Joe Biden can take his ****ing doddery ways and his comments, and stick them as far up his jacksie as they'll go.

    We've involved ourselves in something for self interest - AGAIN. I'm not saying some don't have genuine asylum accreditations either. But none of us were asked if we wanted to jump into Afghan. None of us were trying to rape their natural resources under the auspice of changing cultural outlook (blatantly not our goals unless people are naive in the extreme). This largely about the race for resources between the US and China.

    I get that there are people everyone wants to help. I'm not some callous **** thinking **** them. But by acquiescing to these demands, we are simply allowing our leaders to continually **** us, as well as them, over. Its clearly not sustainable and the friction that people movement in mass numbers causes is significant. Tensions are at an all time high. We will have the same rhetoric coming from the liberals about those who oppose these movements "Racists" "Zenophobics". Some people probably are, but a good number are just sick of the elite continually ****ing everyone over and us being left to foot the bill. They've got us all by the balls because they play on the humanitarian approach you extol the virtues of. Basically they use peoples decency to **** them over.

    When the leaders are interested in genuine reasons for occupation, I'll be interested in genuine reasons for people movement. One should follow the other or not at all. But buying into all this social media "help the Afghans" nonsense (probably funding that too...) is just playing into the elites hands once again. So they can ****ing shove it.
     
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