the ones who end up in the SheItes should pay with interest for this as well as anyone who helped cover this up. heads must role and prison must happen. shame that we dont have hanging still.
i wish i had the same trust in our politicians as you No.1 I see that many are calling for the head of Kelvin Mackenzie because of his published comments post event. Somehow I think that (Sir) Bernard Ingham will not be dethroned similarly for publishing such comments against 'football hooligans' in the name of political expediency!
There's a whole myriad of factors to take into account so I think blaming it solely on on man is way off the mark . Midlands vitriolic rant is way over the top but the fans who charged the gates and entered without a ticket have a huge , if not the biggest , part to play in this tragedy . A lot of normal decent folk needlessly lost their lives that day and a bit of respect wouldn't go amiss .
WHAT UTTER RUBBISH. If what you say is correct the game should never have been played then. The Police could have said NO. But the way it played out was mass murder as per my original post above.
I feel sorry for the normal people who died, what I'm trying to say is it's those mindless ****s who should be the dead ones, who think about themselves getting to watch the game for free even though there were obviously massive problems ongoing inside the stand, they didn't care as long as they got in without paying. If the braindead idiots would listen and do what they're told to start with none of it would have happened, but no you know what those scousers are like they'd risk life and limb to avoid paying for something and in the end it was their own people who suffered at their hands, and now they go and act all upset about it, point the blame at the police and officials and make a big deal when truthfully if they had at least 2 braincells it would never have happened in the first place. I mean what were they all told before travelling to the game... "it's sold out, if you don't have a ticket you won't get in", it would take a thieving idiot hooligan to take that as a cue for "come along anyway you can all break in, cause havoc and effectively murder a bunch of your own folk"
The Buck Stops With The Man In Charge. He had the power on that Day. Yes there were many factors but those 96 lost there lives IMO due to the copper in charge for failing to either Delay Or Stop the match starting. The rush happened as the teams came out. FACT. NB.....This would never happen again as big games have an otter perimiter for a ticket check.
But if the stupid idiots had listened to what they were told before hand that they wouldn't get in without a ticket, they wouldn't be there to cause a rush. They went there with the intention of breaking in, did it and doing so caused nearly 100 of their own fans to die. It's their own fault, why were they even there in the first place?
And with saying that, don't forget the Heysel disaster, where it was probably (most likely) the same bunch of ****tards who caused 40 Juve fans to die, and was probably the biggest contributing factor into having the fences at Hillsborough anyway. It's liek a chain reaction, consequences lead to consequences, if the Liverpool fans did as they were told and didn't act like mindless thugs then neither disaster would have happened.
FAIR POINT. But even more reason then for the Copper in Charge to have said,,,,,""This game is postponed"" over the tannoy due to security issues outside as well as opening the gates within the fences @ leppings lane end. Common Sense failed the 96 and the others who lived but were injured. The more you say just confirms my own beliefs, that the copper in charge in a roundabout way Killed the 96.
I'm actually sat watching SSN and a mother of one of the dead is on . She rightly wants to know exactly what happened and why it went so badly wrong . She has asked for an apology from the Policeman in charge and one from the Government . That's fair enough but what about an apology from the hundreds , maybe thousands of 'fans' who caused that rush ? They know who they are yet I don't see any if them standing up and admitting what they did . At the end of the day the copper in charge made what were honest mistakes made in an ever escalating ,pressurised situation . Can the same be said for those who turned up without a ticket and piled into The Leppings Lane end ?
The ones who turned up without a ticket should also be the ones who can be clearly seen on the TV pictures. Name and shame them as they must be well know in the Liverpool community. But i am sticking with the man in charge. He was ultimately to blame. Stop the game being played. Simples.
I went to a cup semi final back in 1963 (from memory) at Hillsborough - Leicester v Liverpool - I was 15 at the time and my Leicester based cousin got the tickets. Leicester won 1-0 with a Mike Stringfellow header. We were in the Lepping Lane end and there was no segregation in those days or fences around the perimeter and no seating. We spent most of the second half of the match trying to avoid being crushed against the lean against barriers as from half time onwards, the mindless idiots at the top of the banking continually pushed forward en masse and you either went with the flow or got pushed over or crushed. This happened time after time and there seemed to be a hard core of not so young men who derived enjoyment from the mayhem they were causing. It was not a pleasant experience and a situation I would not have wanted to ever be in again. The 1989 tragedy brings back this memory and it is frightening to think that a similar thing occured but this time, the 'safety' fencing only contributed to the carnage. R.I.P all those who died and those who subsequenlty suffered on that terrible day.
at times it makes you wonder why Hillsborough was ever used as much as it was for FA Cup Semi's. that ground is a nightmare even now when the crowds are big.
Normally, I wouldn't have any faith in them at all, but on this topic I think things have gone too far and they've simply got no option. And for the record, I did delete Midlands post, it was disgraceful.
Gents I recently posted on another thread that I was at Hillsborough. I started a post on this thread the other day then changed it , I wasn't planning to make comment however given some of the thoughts being shared I'll recount my experience; We waited outside the ground for around twenty minutes until my uncle and his pal turned up with our tickets. During this time we were approached by dozens of Liverpool fans asking if we had spare tickets to sell, I saw dozens of fans approaching others appearing to be asking the same question. I saw people who were pissed out of their heads. I saw fans shinning up drain pipes and managing, with pushes and pulls, to scale walls into the leppings lane end. We were warning by a mounted PC in no uncertain terms to get in the F'ing ground when our tickets turned up. We were sat 4 rows from the pitch side almost in line with the Forest goal line. We stayed inside the stadium until 15:43 at which point it became too difficult to watch any longer. When we walked back into the North stand we had to walk round dead bodies, poor souls who were laid out with their tee shirts and jumpers pulled out of their jeans to cover their faces. I have struggled for years trying to understand some of the things I saw that day, how do you explain someone appearing to be urinating down a PC's back whilst he's tending to an unconscious person on the pitch? I saw another guy pulling a PC's by his jacket collar whilst he appeared to be getting ready to give CPR to an unconscious person. I saw a fan running at the Forest fans in the spine cop, taunting and shouting abuse whilst all hell was breaking out behind him. I saw PC's and WPC's crying outside the ground. I've watched the footage with interest, I've seen myself in the crowd, I've seen the mounted PC who warned us to get into the ground, I've seen the masses trying to get into the ground, prevented by hundreds maybe thousands of fans who didn't have tickets. I happen to believe that people would have died outside the stadium had the gates not been opened. In my opinion no one person is to blame, what happened that day was an unfortunate, unwise and an unpredictable series of decisions and actions that combined to give rise to terrible events. I will never forget the sight of a fella running the length of the North stand with a young lad in his arms trying to get him to the ambulance, I'll never forget the fella carrying a long haired young girl screaming for someone to help him, I'll never forget the dead inside the North stand. People need to remember young innocent people died. I can understand people wanting answers, wanting to lay blame, wanting to understand how such a thing could happen. The release of this information might help them but I very much doubt it will provide 'the' answers they may be hoping for. Rest in Peace the 96.
Maybe there will be a 'closure' for a lot of grieving relatives. Without the blame. Maybe, maybe not. But it must be looked at.
