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  1. DUNCAN DONUTS

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    I'm your topsy-turvy reality bravery is blowing up horses and pubs full of civilians so blaming whitey for violent Jamaicans raping and killing probably adds up In your mind too
     
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    Learned behaviours
     
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    The only people joining the British armed forces are black women now if the new adverts are anything to go by and pooves.
     
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    Well they could do with people who can actually fight...and prooves.
     
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    Don't think the armed forces have ever been short of pooves tbh.

    @A.L.D.O 4.1 to confirm
     
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  6. Saf

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    It's a shame I'm learning about the rastas being a bit stabby and rapey. I like the Jamaicans :emoticon-0106-cryin
     
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    **** off smelly.
     
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    Ah starts tomorrow. I quickly picked a team at lunchtime in case we are doing it.
     
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    The battle between truth and lies never ends

    A century ago The Times exposed the ‘proof’ of a world Jewish conspiracy as a hoax and it still has repercussions in 2021
    David Aaronovitch

    Wednesday August 11 2021, 5.00pm, The Times
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    Ahundred years ago this week The Times caused an international sensation when it published a three-part scoop from its man in Constantinople. So big was the story that over in America the New York Times splashed it on its front page. The banner headline read “Proof that the ‘Jewish Protocols’ were forged”, conceding the journalistic laurels on this one to its London cousin. From this you can see that it was very much a story that mattered then — and, I would argue, matters now.

    Philip Graves was in his second stint as our correspondent in the capital of the Sultanate, having served in the intelligence corps during the Great War and reached the rank of major. One day in the summer of 1921 he was contacted by a Russian émigré living in the city and told that this gentleman possessed conclusive evidence that a publication which had recently taken the world by storm was a fake.

    This short book, touted to various newspapers and politicians around the world since 1919, had been published in Britain in 1920 under the title The Jewish Peril. The preface to the book claimed that what followed was a long-hidden record of a meeting that had taken place at the first Zionist Congress in Basel in August 1897. A copy had been stolen by someone horrified by its contents, and eventually been put into the hands of a conservative Russian academic called Sergei Nilus, who had first published it in Russia in 1905. It had remained obscure until now, when it was being republished in almost every country in Europe, and many others beside.


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    The speakers in the book’s text were supposedly the “Elders of Zion”: various senior members of the Jewish communities around the globe. In a remarkably stilted and generalised prose they reported back on their efforts to subvert the world order and replace it with their own. They would aim to run all the political parties, take control of all the banks, win ownership of all the newspapers of all opinions and then publish anti-religious propaganda as well as pornography. The express purpose of all this was to create chaos, then war, then revolution, at the end of which World Jewry would take final and totalitarian control.

    It was, of course, an absurd libel, which you would have thought anyone with their wits about them would instantly have dismissed. But it wasn’t dismissed; it was widely believed, or at least given credence. On Saturday May 8, 1920 this newspaper carried a strange hybrid article, part editorial, concerning this “singular little book” whose contents were “likely to perturb the thinking public”. “Some of the features of the would-be Jewish programme,” wrote the anonymous author, “bear uncanny resemblance to situations and events now developing under our eyes.”


    Other publications agreed. Some more than agreed. The Spectator appeared convinced that the Protocols were genuine. And the influential Morning Post published no fewer than 17 articles, collated into a book titled The Cause of World Unrest, taking the idea of a Jewish world conspiracy as a given fact.

    Some Times readers were not so credulous. In the letters page of May 10, a Mr J de Villiers wondered at the newspaper giving any credibility whatsoever to “the evident twaddle” of the Protocols. “Lloyd George and Clemenceau pulled by the Elders of Zion!” wrote Mr de V. “What balderdash!”

    A year later Graves was handed an old book by the exiled Russian. It was “a small volume in French, with the dimension of 5 1/2” by 3 3/4” and missing the title page. Printed in Geneva in 1864, it consisted of a dialogue between Machiavelli and Montesquieu. And many of its passages were, word for word, the same as in the Protocols. Meaning that the Protocols, supposedly composed 33 years later, were a clumsy, plagiarised fake. In his final article Graves speculated that the original had been created before the war to “foster the belief” in pre-revolutionary Russian court circles that the cause of discontent in Russia “was not the repressive policy of the bureaucracy but a worldwide Jewish conspiracy”.

    So yes, this clumsy forgery had fooled quite a few people, but as a Times editorial coinciding with the final part of Graves’s scoop put it, the facts were now clear and “the legend may be allowed to pass into oblivion”.



    Except it didn’t. A defeated people faced with two alternatives — we were wrong or we were robbed — will often prefer the latter. The Protocols became a central part of the Nazi propaganda drive against the Jews. As Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf in 1924, “once this book becomes generally familiar to a people, the Jewish menace can be regarded as already vanquished”. The Protocols were saved from oblivion by far-right movements across the world. They are extant still, and widely believed in certain countries and communities.

    In 1934 Graves himself discovered their lasting power when he felt forced to decline to appear as a witness in a famous trial in Berne in Switzerland in which the Nazi publishers of the Protocols were being prosecuted. He refused because he was worried for the safety of his step-family in Germany, where Hitler was now in power.

    Thus the awkward question raised by the story of The Times and the Protocols is whether publishing the truth really matters. In 2011 the great Italian writer Umberto Eco was asked about this. “The scandal for me,” he replied, “is that from the moment The Times revealed a hoax, it was believed more and more . . . the declaration of The Times was completely useless. The Protocols were still published.”

    I understand the force of Eco’s argument, which he fatalistically attributed to human stupidity. But in the end I disagree. Because it would have been even worse but for Graves and this newspaper. Respectable belief in the Protocols in the Anglophone world came to a total halt after August 1921. The Spectator now called them a “malignant lunacy”. No senior American could be found any longer to endorse them. Even the Jew-baiting Henry Ford fell silent. All over the world people of goodwill were armed with the real story.

    And also, though it is fashionable these days to insist that people never change their minds through argument but merely become more entrenched, that is not my experience. You only have to do jury service for a fortnight to see people swayed away from their own prejudices by the force of evidence. It is important — not least at a time like this, when faked tales of fatal vaccines or miracle “natural” Covid cures proliferate on social media — to remember that for every zealot there are a dozen people who are merely mistaken or misled and to whom the truth matters.

    So well done, Philip Graves. A century on, your successors salute your example.
     
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    And his sister is a 100 metre hurdler. <ok>
     
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    This message will self destruct in 5 seconds.....

    Lalo Schifrin bongo music starts.
     
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    "following a 2014 conviction for grievous bodily harm with intent"

    "I feel like I’m being double punished for something I did 10 years ago."

    It's not another punishment. He's being deported to keep UK residents safe from his violence.
     
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    Don't post pics of my Dad!<grr>
     
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    Trev in America

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    Sensible people think crime is out of hand
    crazed lefties like Khan thinks violent crime is normal in big cities
     
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