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Bristol Supporters Club & Trust Statement

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Alert, Aug 8, 2021.

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  1. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    That is an opinion, Its also not answer to the questions regarding the Trust.

    The pictures are irrelevant. Those acts do not have the same contention and association.
     
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  2. Jiffie

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    Because surely in your view wherever it came from is wrong and had I heard booing exclusively from the South Stand I would have said so but I didn't.

    I do not support the taking of the knee but would never boo, I just sat in my seat.

    But here's the thing other clubs have decided to stand with arms around each other, that is a gesture that I would support and one that the crowd as a whole could actually join in with and feel part of, where as taking the knee is impractical for fans and obviously divisive, so why not find a gesture that includes everybody and doesn't feel like as we have seen is subject to peer pressure.
     
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  3. Red Alert

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    because fans are getting coated off as racist.
     
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  4. Loathsneyd

    Loathsneyd Well-Known Member

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    Of course its wrong from both ends. Not sure I see your point. You said City 'fans' got the blame and they deserve it because of the booing they did.

    Because there is nothing wrong with kneeling unless you are a complete idiot. People have been doing it for centuries
     
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  5. Loathsneyd

    Loathsneyd Well-Known Member

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    No it's fact. Booing people kneeling is idiotic
     
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  6. Loathsneyd

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    True maybe they should coated off as racist idiots
     
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  7. Jiffie

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    There is a lot of things that people, political groups and especially religions have been doing for centuries, that are repugnant and doesn't make them right and certainly doesn't make those institutions, their beliefs and gestures right or inclusive, especially in these more enlightened times.

    They should be trying to bring all football fans together and not demonising some of them over a gesture, especially given that gesture will be hollow when the gravy train disembarks in Qatar.
     
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    In the beginning taking the knee had an impact, WHICH I FULLY supported. It was aimed at remembering an event that was not acceptable. It had impact. Since those early days following its inception it has lost its impact due to being hijacked by political point takers. That said, should anyone wish to continue doing it then that is their choice. bear in mind a number of BAME [ and other ] players do not as they feel it does not serve a purpose!
    up is opposite of down... in opposite of out … clapping [ enthusiastically ]is support or approval whilst Booing is the opposite. Its called freedom of expression.
    the supporters trust do some good, probably more than bad! But they are out of their depth on this one... they should [ should have ] kept the lid on, made no comment. They effectively poured fuel on a fire that does not need it. BOOING OR CLAPPING is not racism, a support for or against it. it is an individuals right to say they approve or disapprove.
    Supporters trust ……...uncalled for knee jerk reaction.

    to be clear, I do not support Racism, to me we are all equal. On the day we are born we have no choice what sexual orientation we will be, what colour or what culture we are born into. It is what we make of it as individuals. It is a whole TOLSTIEN SIZE BOOK to say something was cruel and should never have happened or how it did.. [ modern history is the slave trade ] … do we condemn Genghis Khan... the ancient Egyptians … Romans …. ???
    when you go back in your family tree be prepared for surprises...……… or in your DNA! …. something like 20% of "white" western Europeans / North Americans have a black African gene in their string!!!....

    My outlook on the slave trade was it was in hindsight EVIL, but at the time humans had not developed a thought process like modern day. But just think, had the "Genghis Khan's... the ancient Egyptians … Romans … slave traders, [ both bl;ack and white ] not done what they did, some of the populations complaining about it today would not exist.
     
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    I was also in the Dolman and all I heard was applause?
     
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    Players have every right to demonstrate their support and opinions and fans have every right to demonstrate theirs but in a respectful fashion, we do live in a supposed democracy and long may that freedom prevail.
     
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    Claiming that something is a fact without verifiable facts to uphold the claim is an opinion. And that is a fact. However that is not what the supporters trust are stating.
     
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  12. Red Alert

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    do you think thats right??
     
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    Of course he does, I have suggested a far more inclusive alternative 'gesture' and he just dismisses it for a more divisive 'gesture' that is peer pressure driven in my view.
     
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  14. Red Alert

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    Might not which is why I asked. normal is when you have a pop at people anybody is to say why. back it up is how its works!! the trust havent. i think thats more than off target. I'm not a member but have put money into trust appeals but will be keeping the ££ for me. Seems they are taking a political side here. inclusive alternative 'gesture' exactly fella because this isnt.
     
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    He mentioned this gesture as being centuries old, well so is the Roman salute and that morphed into the Nazi salute, so is that still ok?
     
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    I don't have a position on this whole take the knee thing, I see it as a personal choice for those involved, and it makes no difference to me whether they do or they don't. I don't see why people make such a big deal out of it. It was similar when I lived in Australia and they had a whole national vote on Gay marriage and everyone was being made to feel bad if they voted against it. We live in a democracy and people are allowed to oppose things, so how is showing your objection to it not allowed, yet showing your support is?
    I haven't, and won't clap or boo it, but people should be allowed an opinion and view without being labelled as racist.
     
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    Well said..
     
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  18. Loathsneyd

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    Why else would they be booing if they are not racist?
     
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  19. Red Alert

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    I dont like politics in football how about that one?
     
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  20. Loathsneyd

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    So they are either racist or like I said idiots as they don't understand the simple message no matter how many times it is said or written that 'This is not a political gesture'
     
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