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[Libby]

You said most people on the streets are there because of poor decisions they have made. Which is true, up to a point. But most also have addiction or mental health issues, and I’m just pointing out that addiction is not a choice.

If people **** up, I think they deserve a second chance, and some help to get back on their feet. Not an indefinite number of chances, there may come a time when society understandably gives up on them.

But let’s have it right. While the people sleeping rough have mostly contributed to their own condition, the fact that there’s so many of them does not reflect on well on what we have become as a society. We used to look after people in this country; we used to look after each other. Something has changed.

Don't disagree with any of that tbh.

 

[Peej]

Compulsory vaccinations for all eligible?

if you don’t want to, then self isolate at home until it’s safe for you to be in society.

 

[brb]

But let’s have it right. While the people sleeping rough have mostly contributed to their own condition, the fact that there’s so many of them does not reflect on well on what we have become as a society. We used to look after people in this country; we used to look after each other. Something has changed.

Fook it @Libby 's being too polite.

Yeah, let's have it right, what part of this did you not understand...

Are we really going to continue to throw thousands of pounds at somebody who has zero interest in trying to get clean/improve their life? How many times do you house them and them **** it up before enough is enough, 5? 10?

 

[brb]

Compulsory vaccinations for all eligible?

if you don’t want to, then self isolate at home until it’s safe for you to be in society.

I don't think we should be pushing compulsory vaccines nor do I support the need for covid passports. Although being selfish for a moment, why do I care, i've already been double jabbed, and as for it being ID cards via the back door, we've already sleep walked into that one via the digital world.

 

[Peej]

I don't think we should be pushing compulsory vaccines nor do I support the need for covid passports. Although being selfish for a moment, why do I care, i've already been double jabbed, and as for it being ID cards via the back door, we've already sleep walked into that one via the digital world.

passport, bank card, credit card.
Al ways to track where you are. But the stealth one, that little thing in you pocket, a mobile phone.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

I actually agree with a lot of that. The problem with addiction - well life in general really but addiction especially - is that you can't help somebody who doesn't want to help themself. Are we really going to continue to throw thousands of pounds at somebody who has zero interest in trying to get clean/improve their life? How many times do you house them and them **** it up before enough is enough, 5? 10?

Your point about addiction leading to a lot of this is a fair one but while it's a contributory factor it doesn't excuse poor behaviour and you're still responsible for your actions. Which is why saying "I was drunk" in court won't prevent you being convicted of an offence.

Look at my situation; kicked out at 16 and straight into a hostel. Kicked out of that 5 months later for breaching visitor rules and having drug paraphernalia on the property. 6 months homeless and then into another hostel just after my 17th birthday. There for 8 months and then kicked out for alcohol/drug induced noise complaints (people didn't like hearing happy hardcore at 4am on a Tuesday ).

Are you seriously suggesting that after all of that I wasn't at fault for the situation I found myself in? Yeah you could argue that placing a 16 year old in a hostel with ex addicts and alcoholics increases the chances of my downfall accelerating, but ultimately I behaved poorly and with that came consequences.


As an aside, the drug support networks are largely archaic in this country with us being miles behind other nations. But that's a separate if not completely unrelated debate.

FYI .

Alcoholism is an illness .

 

[aberdude]

Fook it @Libby 's being too polite.

Yeah, let's have it right, what part of this did you not understand...

Are we really going to continue to throw thousands of pounds at somebody who has zero interest in trying to get clean/improve their life? How many times do you house them and them **** it up before enough is enough, 5? 10?

The tory coming out in ew

 

[brb]

People don’t decide to be addicts.

Don't totally agree with that. I think more people need to be told straight sometimes, rather than fear of stepping on egg shells. If I tell you as an old man that you are drinking too much and behaving inappropriately, but continue down the same road, you chose to.

If I smoke too much and die of lung cancer, I chose to, I know the risks, everyone knows the risks.

So sorry mate, but you are talking utter bolloxs.

 

[brb]

passport, bank card, credit card.
Al ways to track where you are. But the stealth one, that little thing in you pocket, a mobile phone.

Which I'll assume you knew I was alluding to.

 

[aberdude]

FYI .

Alcoholism is an illness .

But the taxes.....the taxes my special taxes..........we'll turn a blind eye towards health hey.

They love us really

 

[brb]

The tory coming out in ew

I didn't write it Libby did....but you knew that eh mate.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

Don't totally agree with that. I think more people need to be told straight sometimes, rather than fear of stepping on egg shells. If I tell you as an old man that you are drinking too much and behaving inappropriately, but continue down the same road, you chose to.

If I smoke too much and die of lung cancer, I chose to, I know the risks, everyone knows the risks.

So sorry mate, but you are talking utter bolloxs.

No . Don’t agree with that . Some people cannot just give up drink / drugs or whatever . They need support .

 

[brb]

FYI .

Alcoholism is an illness .

So what's the cure mate, if there is one?

 

[Libby]

FYI .

Alcoholism is an illness .

All addictions are mate.

 

[Archers Road]

Fook it @Libby 's being too polite.

Yeah, let's have it right, what part of this did you not understand...

Are we really going to continue to throw thousands of pounds at somebody who has zero interest in trying to get clean/improve their life? How many times do you house them and them **** it up before enough is enough, 5? 10?

No, let’s just keep stepping over the homeless, while filling the pockets of billionaires so they can fly to space at working people’s expense. And while we’re at it, let’s have all the single mothers out on the streets as well, with their feckless chav kids. We can use the money we save to build a Royal yacht for the plebs to tug their forelocks to.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

So what's the cure mate, if there is one?

There is no cure . The way to try to control it day by day is , from what I gather , joining a support group like AA .

 

[brb]

No . Don’t agree with that . Some people cannot just give up drink / drugs or whatever . They need support .

At some point, everyone knows the risks. It might be learning the risks from others such as I did. I've openly spoke many times on here about not gambling - I've openly challenged people on here about drinking. I could easily shy away from the topic to appease people, I chose not.

If anything happens to me personally, regarding drink, gambling or smoking, it's MY fault.

 

[aberdude]

I didn't write it Libby did....but you knew that eh mate.

Considering most are of tory principle on here....its difficult to know one from the other.

 

[Libby]

Compulsory vaccinations for all eligible?

if you don’t want to, then self isolate at home until it’s safe for you to be in society.

Christ no.

 

[Libby]

Considering most are of tory principle on here....its difficult to know one from the other.

Never voted in my life.