@remembercolinlee & @PowerSpurs - I am not going to take sides, I think that its great that we have diverse opinion, and though you are coming from different directions no one can deny that you are both passionate fans and your posts reflect that Long may we have this level of debate on the forum
Ali Gold reports we’re in advanced talks with Atalanta over goalkeeper Gollini and CB/occasional RB Christian Romero, who just won the Copa America alongside Gio. That’s a potential Hugo successor and a young CB who looks pretty handy. Could be good business here if it’s true.
I doubt anyone thought ESL was unambiguously a good idea. But no-one who was invited was prepared to take the risk of not accepting. I'm normally a minority opinion on here....I like to think that's because I think deeper than most. But I genuinely don't want people to pile in on my side or yours. What we need is someone to explain why we are both wrong
I hope my post s ain't come across as a dig at @PowerSpurs . The polarisation of debate wasn't aimed at him tbh. I always find his views very well thought out. I enjoy debating these things...to be honest. Way more fun than discussing the cluster **** that is the handling of covid!!!
Quite a few heroic assumptions in there. Since your assertion is that the way we do transfer business is systematically wrong, surely the best way to test that would be to compare our results in the first n matches with our average results. Not just pick a few seasons. You also assume that we could have signed the same players earlier. Perhaps we would have signed someone different to Dembele if we had moved earlier for example.
No I didn't see it as a dig just a fan with a different opinion I don't do politics here but as someone who is in isolation at the moment despite not really going anywhere I cannot fathom anything related to relaxing COVID policy
Yeah i mentioned him in my post Really is the exception rather than the norm. It is rare beyond measure in this day and age for an elite level player to suddenly be available for a transfer at the end of a window. And if it did happen, I would worry about things like a breach of conduct, poor attitude or a failed drugs test.
My point is that the way we operate in the transfer window is down to where we are as a football club. Where? Just below City Chelsea and United but with asperations to beat them. we are close to the positions of Arsenal, Liverpool and Leicester and over a wider period of time teams like Villa and Everton are very much where we are. None of this should be a surprise to any Spurs supporter and yet it appears to be the case for many. It is self evident that we cannot compete head on with City, United and Chelsea when it come to signing players therefore we have a more difficult task than just selecting a player we would like and waving unlimited funds at their club. We want top players but top players want to go to top clubs. We are nearly a top club but if a player gets a chance to got to City, Chelsea or United or a number of clubs in Europe like Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Inter, Juventus we will have a job on our hands to sign them. If we sign players who are not wanted by these top clubs than they probably won't be good enough for us either as we want to beat all those clubs. So all this makes our work in the windows far more complex than the top clubs. Spurs fans should know this, it's fairly obvious. It surely means we have to sign young prospects but that's not easy either, just look at the numbers of these at City or Chelsea. We have to be lucky in finding them under the radar. We also have to look for the Van de Vart's, top players coming towards the end of their careers Klinsmann was another example. Again we need good timing and luck. To win in this situation is very hard and the evidence is how difficult it is for us to compete for the PL title. The only way at the moment is to increase your revenue (hence the new stadium) increase your production of home grown players (hence the new training facility) and to be very cute in your transfer dealings. We have a chairman who ticks all these boxes and as result Spurs have sustained one of the strongest periods in their history. So I say if you do not realise all of this then it is time to wake up and face the real position Spurs are in. We live in hope of a breakthrough of finding players like Bale and managers like Pochettino and then trying to hold on to them. Fan pressure adds to the problems and was no doubt one of the reasons for sacking Pochettino, along with fear of failure. Spurs are a team on the edge of greatness but not great, we are on the verge of winning the league but not quite, we are in the nearly position. We can on our day beat any team but to sustain it over a season is the hard part as you all know so transfer windows are always going to be hard for Spurs and frustrating for the fans it's the nature of our position. I think all this is self evident and should result in a philosophical frame of mind for any Spurs supporter as CK says it's not new we always have these issues in the transfer windows . Perhaps it's an age thing, I don't know how long I have left and I don't want to spend the time I use for watching football in some kind of fools paradise, life is too short. So I am suggesting you should realise what team you are supporting and what baggage comes with it and try to enjoy the football FFS and lets's hope and wish all the good things for Nuno, he has a terrific smile and that's a pretty good start.
I understand not rushing in and signing just anyone. But the numbers of players available/affordable that can actually improve Spurs is already very small, so waiting until the end of the window in case a better option comes up seems very risky to me.
I think we learned from it, which is why I am worried we may switch back to making that mistake. However, I was answering your assertion that new signings missingthe first few games didn't matter. No where have I said that our transfer business is systematically wrong. I think our transfer business has been a mixed bag. At points it was excellent. We regularly made money bought good players and improved the team. There were some blips but that kind of thing happens. Over all we have done OK but the last 2 seasons have not worked out (as you alluded to about last season's signing not improving us). I just think we wasted a chance, or rather are at serious risk of wasting a chance, to correct out squad imbalance. We were only 9 points or so off a top 4 finish last season ... even after playing turgid football and throwing away so many points. It would be a wasted opportunity for us to, in effect, give up on the first 4 matches, which could make a massive difference at the end of the season.
We really had the wrong manager in the last two seasons. It's easy to say in hindsight and easy to see why Levy thought it was a good idea to sign Mourinho but it it just didn't work. We have had a good period with Pochettino where we enjoyed the football and came close to amazing things. Close but not quite and look what happened after reaching the CL final. It was almost like rabbits in the headlights, we seem so stunned to have got there and within a minute of the start of the game things started to go wrong and then continued until the present day. Right now I just hope Nuno can get us playing some attractive football and maybe re invigorate some of our players. I am hoping for a Redknapp like change where we start to enjoy the games again.
Personally speaking, I thought Nuno was a good choice before we sacked JM. I liked watching wolves (admittedly mostly highlights...but I was at wembley when they beat us 3-1 and they played really good football. Some say he is boring but I am hoping that is based on last season when Wolves had a decimated first team. I am hoping for some free flowing football that is enjoyable to watch. I don't expect trophies...thank God
In the above seasons, there was also bad collapses in form over an interval at the business end of the season (2012 infamously so) . So we have correlation with the end result and two different dimensions. Can you make the case that your dimension is the dominant factor rather than mine (2011-12 is immediately very weak for you) ??
Conversely you could miss out on good players as they get snapped up first and you end up paying a premium for worse players as you become more desperate.
