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The Official not606 Korean GP Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by u408379965, Oct 10, 2011.

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Who will win in Korea?

Poll closed Oct 13, 2011.
  1. Sebastian Vettel

    23.3%
  2. Jenson Button

    33.3%
  3. Fernando Alonso

    20.0%
  4. Mark Webber

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  5. Lewis Hamilton

    20.0%
  6. Felipe Massa

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  7. Nico Rosberg

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  8. Michael Schumacher

    3.3%
  9. Vitaly Petrov

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  10. Adrian Sutil

    0 vote(s)
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  11. Kamui Kobayashi

    0 vote(s)
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  12. Paul di Resta

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Jaime Alguersuari

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Sergio Perez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Other (Please state)

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  1. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    The thing is, Schumacher was caught in the act by the stewards remember, and was told to cut it out.
    They should have at least acknowledged Hamilton's moves.
     
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  2. Delete Me

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    True, but with Ross was saying, "Remember, leave space for the overtake" so I guess the clarity of this rule is not crystal clear and Schumi must of found this as a grey area where 2 clear moves are against the rules, but 1 move and then back to the racing line for the next corner and leaving space isn't, which I find very....well usual case when the rules fail etc...
     
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  3. Drudeboy

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    about the two moves, i did notice it a bit during the race. thought hamilton was lucky to get away with it. the only saving grace really is that the straight is so long that you can seem to get away with more moves when defending because for some reason it looks like its more than just a str8
     
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  4. EternalMSC

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    Yes, we have reached agreement. The rules have failed the sport to be honest.

    Yes, I agree mate.
     
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  5. Delete Me

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    Doesn't it move slightly to the left from the start to end, this including the huge dip at the end and all the bumps. And lets not forget they're going 190+ mph with this going on, could be quite easy to have the wheel moving during that time by accident since it only takes a few millimeters to make it swerve 2-3 meters.
     
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  6. EternalMSC

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    Compared to Webber though, he was all over the shot but the tendency to flick the wheel is very easy could have been intentional or not who knows how Hamilton thinks...
    He was all over the marbles also :) but I understand your point...
    Hey forget it, it was a good race. ;)
     
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  7. Delete Me

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    True, the stewards are the ones with the **** job and I get to post these kinds of things for a hobby ;)

    [video=youtube;zfcpe8MKEA8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfcpe8MKEA8[/video]

    "10 wins my friends" Seems Seb is closer to this crew far more than other drivers with theirs, a very strong psychological advantage!
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    How on earth is someone moving off the racing line then moving back the other way for the corner illegal? we aren't talking about someone changing direction in the middle of a corner to block someone or put them on the grass, we are talking about your allowed one move off the racing line and back on it. I guess some must try and justify the illegal actions of their own idol of worship by inventing interpretations to rules with which to accuse others.
     
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  9. Kyle?

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    Great race, and finally some real wheel to wheel stuff with a McLaren and Red Bull, and suprisingly (considering Hamilton and Webber were involved) it didn't end in tears.
     
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  10. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Did anybody feel the DRS didnt work here and we actually ended up with less overtaking than we should of, And thats why the cars were bunched up?
     
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  11. BrightLampShade

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    Quite a few good races all round it seems.

    Vettel controlling it all so calmly from the front
    Hamilton putting in a strong performance with "10 points" of downforce missing (how ever much that is?)
    Webber probably should have got past as he seemed faster, but regardless he still put in a strong race
    Button finished 4th but he was right up there too, another result to add to his strong end to the season.
    Alonso, well a bit of a iffy weekend, and that comment won't have helped, although 5th in the Ferrari is hardly a horrific result.
    Massa seemed a lot more with it this weekend, he put up much more of a fight.
     
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  12. tomcat606

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    Yes, i didnt get that either. He could have easily ignored the pitcrews decision if he was so sure that he could make ground with those tyres a lap longer.
     
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  13. Forza Bianchi

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    A second DRS zone on the next straight would have been a lot more effective

    10 points of downforce isn't much. Massa lost 15 points of downforce in Hungary after losing a bit of his rear wing and his performance was barely affected. Ted Kravitz in his video blog said he couldn't see anything wrong with Hamilton's front wing.
     
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  14. McLarenDan

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    Iirc it's about 3 tenths, but worse when it's all front downforce on an understearing car.
     
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  15. Delete Me

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    So seb and Lewis had an equal fight on race day since Lewis' McLaren was nearly 3 tenths faster in qualifying than the Red Bull.

    Wicked!
     
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  16. Max Whiplash

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    Well, maybe not. It has been said elsewhere that McLaren focused too much on a qualifying set-up while Red Bull concentrated on a race set-up. Add to that the McLaren's acute understeer and it doesn't seem very equal.
     
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  17. RoadRunner

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    That last corner into the pit is blind so I wonder if Mark couldn't see him until heading into the pit lane himself.
     
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  18. Max Whiplash

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    I like this theory ;)
     
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  19. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Generally this year changing tyres has benefitted the team to change first, with the difference in lap times being at a minimum with the 2 compounds used I'm guessing RBR decided to pit Webber so he wouldn't lose any track position and be out of DRS range.
     
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  20. BrightLampShade

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    Maybe they just assumed Webber had enough pace to keep with Hamilton and then just breeze past him in the DRS zone. Its not like Webber was trying to jump him in a slower car?
     
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