Govt. has just announced that if you're returning from an amber-list country you won't have to isolate or test, so you may be OK.
Got both of mine. All my older relative have had them too. The family member who is ill with Corona has also had both doses of vaccine, because she's a key worker. She's much younger though, and one of the folks she is isolating with has not had both jabs yet. This is what's worrying me now. I know it could just be bad luck (the jabs only give about 90% protection, so 1 in 10 who have them will still get the virus) but by all accounts it's hit her pretty hard. The next week or so will tell if she has to go to hospital - obviously I'm praying that doesn't happen. It is making me wonder though how much protection these vaccines really give. And it's making me very wary again of risky scenarios like crowded places. If I go to the Valley with thousands of other fans - many of them younger and possibly not double jabbed yet, will I get infected despite the vaccines I've had? My general health isn't great. If I get the virus, I don't know whether the immunity I have will protect me from serious illness or death. In short, my faith in the vaccines has been shaken. I don't think I'll be coming to the Valley on match days for a while. And I really regret that. I'm not saying people shouldn't get vaccinated. I have no time for anti-vacc morons, and I still totally believe vaccination is the only solution - the only way we can be free again to live our lives. But I'm not confident anymore that it's a solution that will protect me. Where are the figures to tell us how many hospitalised people in this third wave (what proportion) have been double jabbed? The same question applies to the fatalities, now running at about 30 per day. And what proportion of these people have (or had) underlying health issues? That information should be available. The longer it is withheld, the more suspicious people will become that something important is being kept from us.
OK, we've had legal restrictions removed before the start of the season. What will the Government's recommendations be regarding football grounds on match days? That will surely affect the way that individual Clubs decide to manage fan numbers. Is the Government simply going to say "full capacity (pre-pandemic) and we have no opinion, you do your own thing"? Or are they going to issue a set of recommendations advising on mask wearing social distancing 'signing in' with mobile apps or vaccine passports testing allowing away fans in (or not) holding some fans in the ground after full time to avoid a huge spill of people onto the surrounding streets all at once singing/chanting/cheering within the ground etc. If recommendations are issued, are Clubs then effectively obliged to follow them just in order to get insurance for match days? Or to avoid getting sued by fans who come to games and then catch the virus - or sued by their relatives if fans die from COVID19? All these questions will surely apply to all other places where people gather together? Pubs being the obvious example. This feels like the Government stepping away and saying "that's it folks. You're on your own now. We withdraw our duty of care." How will any organisation - be it a pub owner or CAFC - know how to operate from a legal point of view? And would the Owner of the Valley possibly be liable if he allows events there that might end up costing lives through COVID19? In which case, could Duchatelet and his lawyers force the Club to set out pandemic rules that attending fans will have to obey?
Dont you think there has been no time anywhere in the world in regards to Vaccines and effectiveness and being able to rely or put faith in there protection ? Theres no precedant, or proof of any stats they offer up... its been 18 months for the whole thing and we have governments all over the world declaring things 90%+ protective and a must that we all get jabbed. Based on what ? The definition of a Vaccine will have to be changed to that of a panodol or cough lolly.
It will just be no one to blame and lets all soldier on. A few die, a few dont react well to the Vaccine, but we live on with the virus amongst us and if u drop dead as a result of picking it up out and about socially post Gov saying we are all clear now, u just happen to be one of the unfortunate ones.
Quite. The Pandemic rules, lockdowns and everything we've had to do over the last 15 months have had nothing to do with saving lives. And everything to do with protecting the privilege of the ruling elite, and keeping them in power. Never mind the mountain of corpses. A collapsed NHS would have led to the breakdown of civil order. And who had the most to lose from that? The wealthy and the powerful. How many Government Ministers have died of COVID19? How many members of Parliament? How many top civil servants, how many big company directors? How many Lords and Earls and other ranks in the nobility? How many Generals, how many Admirals. How many millionaires? Answer: a handful. Out of around half a million of this richest, most powerful 1% of our society. Maybe 1 in 20,000. To be honest I will be surprised if it's that many. Whereas down on the streets, the death rate is around 1 in 500 and rising. And maybe 1 in 50 hospitalised at some point. That's the equivalent of around 1,750 Grenfell Tower fires in total, at a rate of around four per day, every day, for the last 15 months. Or 1,350 Hillsborough disasters, at the rate of about three per day, every day since March 2020. That is what the pandemic means in the UK over the last 15 months. By the time this post is 24 hours old, we will have suffered another 4 Grenfell Towers, or another 3 Hillsboroughs. And the poor emergency & medical staff who have to care for those fatalities and casualties, also living in mortal fear every day that they will be infected. What is the death rate among our NHS and care home staff? Very high indeed. Much higher than 1 in 500 I daresay. And there is no end in sight for them. Why should the third wave even have a peak and then decline? The previous two waves only declined because of lockdowns. This third wave may well just reach a peak and stay there, culling thousands each week right through the winter. Until the staff of the NHS are all traumatised to the point of mental breakdown and attempted suicide. There is no 'quiet' time of year for them to recover anymore. They will be pushed beyond the limit, every day. Indefinitely. But how long can a civilised society stagger on, suffering 4 Grenfell Towers every single day? There will come a point eventually when people will have had enough. And then there will be a reckoning.
I'd love to know where these figures come from. I have used public transport daily for 12 months during this pandemic. I have seen next to nobody confronted by police or TFL officials. As for fining people, those figures have not been listed, I wonder why.
People wearing face coverings on public transport is probably down to 75% now. It will fall even further come the 19th July and the next few weeks.
As somebody said on the radio this morning, it's political posturing by the Mayor and others. The equivalent of taking the knee to oppose racism. Nice gesture, 0% effective. Ministers and experts can carry on living in their fantasy world. In real life on the real streets, everybody knows enforcement on public transport has faded and failed. Same with the quarantining from red zone countries. Half the people who are supposed to do it simply don't bother. They disappear, and nobody follows it up. How many people have been jailed (or convicted at all) for breaking quarantine? None I should think. All any of us can do now is try to protect ourselves. If I was a bus driver or an NHS worker / care worker, I would be seriously looking to change jobs, for my own sanity and health. These heroes are being abandoned by the Government. Left to work themselves into a padded cell or a wooden box.
An easy news story with people being stuck in a hotel at £175 a night. I wonder how long and how many actually had to.
How much more can these wonderful people take? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57836137 Get the NHS some real substantial help Boris - not just empty words of praise. Thousands of workers are at the end of their tether already. And now they face a massive third wave of hospital admissions and deaths - then another winter. That goes beyond cruel and unusual punishment. My heart is breaking for our NHS staff. If I hear one more complacent politician say "the NHS is going to cope..." I will f**king lose it.
Blimey. Over 50,000 infected in the last 24 hours. Everyone in the isolating household of my relatives now has it and has flu-grade symptoms. Mercifully nobody has had to go to hospital yet, and the first person to get it is now recovering. I saw a prediction that there would be 60,000 cases per day by July 19th and I repeated that on this thread about three weeks ago. But deep down I didn't really believe it would happen. I think infections were at about 4,000 per day at the time. But it is going to happen. Stay safe everyone. Your vaccinations will help, but they don't provide complete protection. Carry on keeping your distance, and all the other things that can prevent you getting infected. I can't go to the Valley on a match day under these circumstances. And without another lockdown, I don't see how this third wave will decline by itself. Infection rates could remain very high for months on end.
I'm more concerned about the train journey than the Valley itself. The train is always packed to the gunnels, mask wearing will be non-existent.
Good point FHB. The whole endeavour just seems to risky to me, even though I really want to be there again. In my state of health the virus could well do for me - vaccine or no vaccine. This third wave makes me absolutely furious. I still believe totally that it could have been prevented, had sensible decisions been taken back in April rather than preparations for a profitable trade junket to India for Boris.
