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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

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  1. bobmid

    bobmid Well-Known Member

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    I was under the impression that we had taken back control of our borders.
     
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  2. bobmid

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    Good job they were there and Johnson... i mean somebody leaked them, otherwise that useless lying spineless twat would still be health secretary.
     
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    Never a truer post. :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    I'm sure you and a few others will come up with your own conclusions.
     
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    Just im sure you and a few others will do also
     
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    Just for once, why don't you try to answer a question without mentioning Labour?

    How well do you think Brexit is going and how well do you think your corrupt government is performing?
     
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    Brexit is going okay. A few problems being caused by France/Macron/EU but we have left a dying organisation and when the dust settles we will do just fine.
    The problem is, if you listen to James Obrien or read The Independent/Guardian or the rest of the remain propaganda you may think civilisation is over and it's Armageddon. Truth is, it's far from that. The NI protocol will be sorted out soon. I hear they are getting close. Anyone with half a brain cell would realise that the EU are just using Ireland as a pawn to cause up problems. This is due to them wanting us to sign up to their closer alignment deal (which by the way won't be happening). We have had record investment...but above everything else... We didn't get involved with their disastrous vaccine roll out, which by the way would have been a worse outcome for us. And yes because of Brexit we have had a quicker vaccine roll-out without all the staple punching from Brussels
    As for your comments on the government 'being corrupt'? you really do need to get out more, as you really do sound stupid saying that.
     
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    All very predictable bollocks, but you did it. Well done.:emoticon-0137-clapp

    Do you really believe that this government is not corrupt in the face of all the evidence to the contrary?
     
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    Politics in the uk are even more fruity than in the us...

    change my mind.
     
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    DAN HODGES: Why won't either the Labour or Tory candidates in Batley stand up for the teacher robbed of his home, his career and his identity?
    By Dan Hodges For The Mail On Sunday

    Published: 07:52 AEST, 27 June 2021 | Updated: 22:21 AEST, 27 June 2021



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    The small, terraced flat is completely empty. The furniture has gone. The downstairs curtains have gone.
    The light bulbs have been removed from their fittings. I'm in Batley, West Yorkshire.

    A few weeks ago this was the home of a teacher at Batley Grammar School.

    Then one day, as part of a course on blasphemy, he showed his pupils a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed.


    At which point, he was forced to flee for his life. It's why he can now only be known as The Teacher. To use his real name would put him and his family in danger.

    Several doors down from the empty flat, one of The Teacher's neighbours – a woman in a hijab – is returning home. I ask if she knew the person who used to live there.

    'No,' she responds. 'Yes, we do!' shouts her excited child. His mother smiles apologetically. 'Yes, I do.' What was The Teacher like, I ask. She pauses. I explain I won't identify her.

    'Very good. A very good neighbour.' She pauses again. 'But he doesn't live here any more.'

    The Teacher had been at Batley Grammar for several years. The image he showed during the fateful lesson had been used before.

    But on this occasion someone took offence. A complaint was made – and within hours an angry mob had descended on the school gates.

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    As I leave her office on Wellington Street after another fruitless attempt to meet her, I see a sign in the window. 'We're With Kim,' it reads. Maybe. But Kim isn't with The Teacher.

    Nor is Tory candidate Ryan Stephenson. According to Conservative co-chairman Amanda Milling, Stephenson wants to 'work with Government on local issues and be a strong voice in Parliament'.

    But instead of being strong, he's currently spending his time cowering from the press and the voters.

    Stephenson is, according to his campaign blurb, a member of a Yorkshire academy trust, committed to ensuring 'all children excel regardless of their background'. And like everyone else, he's gone AWOL on the issue of Batley Grammar.

    I ask Milling – being deployed today as his human shield – what her view is on the school.

    'There have to be lessons learnt,' she says meekly.

    Should The Teacher be allowed to go back, I ask. 'Yes, and the teacher has been able to return to the school,' she claims, 'though I understand he still has concerns about doing so.'

    When I query the idea he's been able to return, she tries to clarify. 'So my understanding is – from the report – that he's been reinstated.

    I'm not sure if he's actually gone back to school because he's still got concerns about the situation.'

    So again, does she think he should return. 'You shouldn't have a situation where a teacher… you know… he's been told he can come back to the school but he doesn't feel he can go back to the school.'

    So why isn't Stephenson here, explaining this himself, I ask. 'Ryan's out on the doorsteps. He's been doing lots of interviews with the local press,' she says.

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    Ryan Stephenson (pictured) is, according to his campaign blurb, a member of a Yorkshire academy trust, committed to ensuring 'all children excel regardless of their background'. And like everyone else, he's gone AWOL on the issue of Batley Grammar

    But if the two main candidates are running scared of the mob that appeared outside the gates of Batley Grammar, another is not.

    'If I had been the MP, I don't think this would have happened,' George Galloway tells me.

    'After what happened in Paris, with the horrific murder of a teacher there, I would have been into the Batley schools. But if it had happened, I would have provided leadership in response to it. Labour ran away.'

    According to Galloway, a vacuum was allowed to develop that was exploited by what he calls 'extremists' from out of the area. '

    If it had been me here, I'd have been outside the school, and I'd have told everyone to go away. I'd have calmed the situation down.'

    Clear enough. But on the issue of the cartoon itself, he's more equivocal.

    'Parents have a right to know, and have a say, in what is taught in their schools. Not just on this matter, on all other matters. All over the country, people of all colours and creeds are not happy about the kinds of things being taught to their children, particularly of a very young age. And I'm one of them.'

    I ask him the question I would have liked to ask Leadbeater and Stephenson. Should The Teacher be reinstated?

    'If he wants to be, of course he should. His life and his safety are not in any danger from local people. But I think there are Islamist extremists in the country – the ISIS mindset exists in this country, it's a significant problem for us – so in so far as that teacher is in danger from that kind of extremism, then we must all rally round him and support him.'

    Again, that appears to be the full-throated defence that has been lacking from our mainstream politicians.

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    If the two main candidates are running scared of the mob that appeared outside the gates of Batley Grammar, another, George Galloway (pictured), is not

    But George Galloway is a master at working the angles. And in Wednesday's debate, he took a rather different tack.

    The image shown to the class was 'horrific' and 'insulting', he claimed. The school had 'absolutely no right' to use the caricature, he said.

    But on one point Galloway is correct. The leadership vacuum – or chasm – that has been allowed to develop in Batley has indeed opened the door to those from outside.

    I'm now standing in the sunshine in Batley Market Square, as Laurence Fox – replete in his signature sunglasses and crisp, white shirt – addresses a small but appreciative crowd.

    The former actor, failed London mayoral candidate and vanquished opponent of lockdown has suddenly found a new cause.

    'I stand with the teacher,' he tells his audience. 'We cannot have an education policy driven by intimidation, bullying and death threats.'

    Fox's address is received warmly, rather than rapturously. 'I don't really know who he is,' one onlooker concedes to me.

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    I'm now standing in the sunshine in Batley Market Square, as Laurence Fox (pictured) – replete in his signature sunglasses and crisp, white shirt – addresses a small but appreciative crowd

    Just as I prepare to return to London, I take a walk along Market Street in Birstall. It's here, just outside the library, where Jo Cox was murdered.

    In the years that have followed her death, a lot has been said and written. About togetherness. Social cohesion. Turning away from hate.

    The words of her maiden speech have been replayed and recounted many times – 'We are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us.'

    But what does that mean, really? What is actually the point of any of it if, five years on, The Teacher and his family remain in hiding for their lives?

    Hiding not in the way our spineless politicians are hiding, but literally in fear of the splintering of a door or shattering of a window that means they are about to be added to the roll of horror that includes the staff of Charlie Hebdo and the French teacher Samuel Paty.

    This week a new MP will be elected for this constituency. At which point the parties will decamp, those of us in the media will pack up, and the town of Batley will move on.

    Except for one man. A teacher – a good teacher. A neighbour – a good neighbour. Who has been disappeared by his own community. And his own country.
     
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    Hows GB news getting on? Not seen it yet, is it still as popular?
     
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    What evidence? You show me proof of corruption and not some cr2p article from the Guardian or Independent. You show me legal proof.
    And why you are there...
    Do you believe Starmer will last? Or do you think he is as cr2p as I think he is.
     
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    Bless you know the ratings were bad this week bob so don't make out you didn't.
    What you should be asking is was Angela Rayner crap In the house today when she should have walked all over Lopez over government documents/Hancock/security Answer was yes. Lopez owned her and Rayner looked lost after. Unelectable
     
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    However GBnews is still better than ChavITV or The Brexit Bemoaning Corporation. It's just the tech side is shocking.
     
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