British Politics

Crazed leftie, obviously with no facts in evidence.

HMS Defender was in Ukrainian waters with the permission of the Ukraine, not Russian waters. There is no international recognition of Russia’s claim on the waters around the Crimean peninsula, which Russia illegally occupies. The story only made the news because there happened to be a British journalist aboard the Navy ship.

 

Seems everyone but Farked knew that

 

In fairness to @monacoger here, I think you are being a little disingenuous with the example you cited.

As the graph clearly shows, £60bn of the extra funding was Covid-19 pandemic emergency funding.

The problem with the £350m for the NHS is that all health spending commitments made before December 2019 have been dwarfed by the emergency profligacy of the last eighteen months. Government departments are living on Magic Money Tree funding.

In the Budget, the Chancellor gave the NHS £6bn of extra funds and wrote off £13bn in loans; a net £19bn difference. In theory that would cover the £18bn but the write down was a one off.

Thankfully the billions thrown at vaccines was done off the books as Whitehall was cut out of the equation; however, it will eventually have to show up on the accounts somewhere.

It seems quite clear that Socialist Sunak is not going to return to the austerity measures of the last decade before the plague and the harebrained “levelling up” agenda that Boris sees as a vote winner is the road to ruin.

 

Hahaha you think it is only the UK that has put extra money into their healthcare systems? Other countries can't find any extra money because they didn't leave the EU? Wow, just wow.

 

Part of this is factually incorrect.

It is true that the £350m did not take into account our rebate, although the rebate was overstated because we got it two years in arrears, so it was eroded by inflation. Both sides overstated numbers in the Brexit debate for impact.

The intended extra funding for the NHS (before emergency 2020 pandemic funding) was less than the average annual increase over the history of the NHS in real terms and was less than £18bn a year. In the 2019 spending review, I believe it was actually only about £6bn for 2020/21, a 3.1 per cent increase in cash terms not real terms.

It is true that Turkey are a long way from getting in the EU and flooding the continent with young Turks. Maybe they could get German help in cooking the books like they did for Greece (that worked out really well for Greece).

 

the EU have made a fund up so they can tap into that*





*paid for by EU tax payers

 

Somebody is having a whale of a time...

 

Are you agreeing with him that the reason that the UK can plough another £60b into the NHS is because of Brexit?

 

Monacoger: "An extra £350m per week wasn't spent
PS: "UK government spent over an extra £350m per week and here's the evidence"
Monacoger: "When I said 'extra' I meant 'extra' on top of the extra"
PS: "UK government spent a lot more than the 'extra' extra and here's the evidence"
Monacoger: "It's not counted as extra if it's because of covid and you're an idiot"

 

"Covid means we need more money for the NHS"
"Where can we get it from?"
"Some of it could come from the £350m per week that during the referendum campaign was suggested we could spend on the NHS after leaving the EU"
"Good idea. It's a good job we left the EU"

 

Mate you have spoiled my fun with that, I was keeping the rebate for an hour or so. What was the rebate, about £90m a week or so? I really can't remember, but I would love to know where the extra money was coming from to make it £350m a week. Who pays for the extra £90m? (Or whatever the actual figure is?) Just to be clear, as some people don't understand this, when I say £350m, I mean £350m on top of the usual increase, or in this case, Covid related increase.

 

Not strictly true. You imply that EU taxpayers have already picked up the bill.

Just like the Bank of England is underwriting the Magic Money Tree, the European Central Bank is doing the same on the continent. In reality, it will be mostly German, Dutch and Austrian taxpayers that will be picking up the bill.

 

Not sure I called you an idiot, think I only called you stupid, but now that you mention it, you are indeed an idiot.

 

Where did I say that the UK could pay as extra £60 billion into the NHS because of brexit?
You are lying

 

why do you try to be wrong about everything?
when you are wrong just admit it rather than respond with insults

 

Apologies, I was just trying to be fair and even handed. I criticise other posters for being factually inaccurate, so when Peter was guilty it seemed reasonable to point it out.

The ‘extra funding’ has not come from money that we would have paid to the EU (whatever net figure anyone cares to choose). It has come from the Magic Money Tree just like it has in the EU and the USA. Our government spending last year was nearly 7 times what was forecast. Trying to apply sensible economic rules to this largesse is pointless.

 

Right here. You are really rather good a lying and being wrong.

 

"or any other increase that I can attempt to wriggle out of being wrong"