Patrice Evra accuses Suarez of making racist remarks

He can hardly speak English so god knows why 'nigga' would be one of the first words he would learn. Also to say it 10 times in the space of less than 10 seconds is pretty impressive for someone who can't even speak English properly.

I agree that if it is conclusive and he did say it he should handed the maximum punishment available.

BUT

If Evra is lying that is just as bad in my book - so a similar punishment should be handed to him.

Let's be honest Evra was acting a twat all game with his card waving and handbag bitching - so at this point I am inclined to side with Suarez (especially with Evra's past).

Playing the race card is the sign of a ****ing idiot, and he has done it previously.

 

Also if he said 'nigga' 10 times surely other players would of heard it or the ref and stepped in to stop the incident, I know I would if a team mate of mine said it to someone once let alone 10 times.

Sorry but this stinks of bullshit from Evra.

If I'm wrong i'll be the first to admit it....

 

Come on Suarez has played in Europe long enough to learn the 'N' word, it's not like he has just got off the plane. Saying it 10 times in 10 seconds is not that hard either really so I think that is pretty irrelevant. Irrespective of Evra's history this should be judged on its merits and appropriate action taken against either depending on the outcome. I mean should Evra just accept it because his last allegation was unproven. It's very difficult to prove anyway.

As for the card waving, I agree that that is not good to see however neither was Downing's blatant dive.

 

Yeah I agree that Downing dived.

You trying to tell me saying 'nigga' more than 10 times in the penalty area within 10 seconds no-one else would hear it?

And playing in Europe and learning the 'nigga' word explain that please? Especially as the last league he played in was Dutch and when he got to Liverpool he couldn't speak barely a word of English.

 

With regards to the earlier Evra claims, he didn’t accuse Finnan of abuse, it was a DEAF fan who made the complaint after lip reading what he thought Finnan had said.

Secondly, with regard to the groundsman incident, Evra himself never made the claim but it was others including Mike Phelan and other Man Utd staff who stated the racism allegation.

Finally considering the FA threw out the last claim (against the Chelsea groundsman) and Evra got a 4 match ban over the incident, you would think him stupid to make up this abuse in case it backfired?

Not saying Evra was abused nor not saying he wasn't. In my opinion the FA will never punish Suarez based on Evra's word and the footage. Just cannot see it happening.

 

I was answering your point where you suggested that it would be improbable to say the word 10 times in 10 seconds rather than without anyone else hearing it. In truth it would be just speculation on my part as to why no one else heard it but that's why there should be an enquiry to find out the truth.

As for the word itself, it is of my opinion that it is a universally well known term that you would have to be from a different planet to have not come across it before. I mean I'm pretty sure that the campaigns to kick racism out of sport highlight what's offensive and use case studies to educate players. Again this is just my opinion but I think that it is such a divisive issue that it doesn't help having either side trying to defend either player when we don't know the facts. Just to reiterate that if proven or unproven then the appropriate player should face serious punishment.

 

I read somewhere on this thread that Evra claimed the referee knew what he said? Well if that is the case the referee would have sent Suarez off so I doubt that's the case. Mr Evra has previous on the race card as mentioned earlier and would be a silly boy if these allegations were false. False reporting makes it harder for the real culprits to be bought to book.

 

1. I have no idea whether or not this is true and neither does anyone else barring Evra and Suarez. Until the investigation has been carried out, please avoid making any provocative comments about either player. I'll have to delete or close the thread if people keep making ad hominem attacks and flaming.

2. The only way the FA will take any action is if Suarez' words were picked up off the pitch side mics behind the goal. That will require a qualified sound expert to analyse the footage and filter out the crowd noise etc and so will probably take a few days.

3. I fully expect the FA to bottle it and say that the evidence is inconclusive, as UEFA did in the Busquets case. Even the best lipreaders are never 100% sure when they're looking at a single word.

 

What's with the 10 times in 10 seconds bollocks? I bet I could say 'mono' 10 times in 10 seconds. If Evra was going to lie about this he wouldn't have made a claim that he said it TEN times. Probably just the once. As it goes Suarez probably won't be found guilty due to lack of evidence but Evra would not make a claim such as that up. And Evra seemed pretty angry with Suarez during the game.

I guess we'll never know.

 

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Referee was made aware of the allegations after the match.

 

Why are comments being deleted by the mods?

 

Cos of flaming and ad hominem attacks. This is obviously going to be a sensitive topic, and comments calling the respective players and other posts "****s" and "****wits" is just going to end up causing problems and arguments. Trying to be proactive and nip it in the bud

 

True

 

Agree totally with this,despite me being a Liverpool fan and you being a United fan

UIR, however was talkin some rubbish yesterday, I think he was wettin his knickers about a Liverpool player gettin a large ban.When in reality with the evidence available,and the players history that is VERY unlikely to happen

Like swarbs says, evidence from all sides is INCONCLUSIVE

 

Yeah, those gravestone teeth have a lot to answer for. ugly ****er.

 

You toothist bastard...

 

Phil " Messi " Jones........shouldnt that be Phil " Messy" Jones

 

Or Phil "got battered by a little Brazilian fella" Jones..?