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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

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    Well bloody said.
     
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  3. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

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    What nobody has realised is that the reason all these countries have been labelled as red is to give Johnson time to find someone foolish enough to pay for his honeymoon.
     
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  7. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    Whatever side of the political spectrum you are on, just an observation.

    Last time (every time?) Trump arrived in the UK there were mass protests.

    Not heard of one with Biden arriving.
     
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  9. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    Biden is not an absolute twat.
     
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  10. SaintStu

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    What I want to know is why the USA get so hot under the collar about Irish politics - do they care so much about the politics of Italy or Mexico as they have just as large immigrant population? Is it because the powerful people in the US are white and trace their heritage there, though most couldn't point to Belfast on a map.
    I like the US is pushing Johnson on the NI lie he peddled - but it baffles me why it matters so much to them still.
     
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  11. Schad

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    The Irish have had a more substantial role in shaping American politics over the past century and a half. They formed the backbone of the Democratic Party machines in major cities, as the party provided a route for non-English immigrants into polite society and political influence. This was out of necessity more than ideals, but the result was that by the early 20th century the Irish rose enough in stature that they were considered 'white' whereas the Italians (who arrived later) were not, and the Hispanics (some of whom have been in parts of the US since before those territories were in the Union) still aren't.

    One of the downstream effects is that, once Protestant versus Catholic politics faded to a significant extent, Catholic voters of Irish descent became a significant swing bloc by the early 1970s...at the time when The Troubles were really kicking into high gear. And because Americans of Irish descent care a fair bit about Ireland, and American politicians of Irish descent seemingly never stopped talking about it, Ireland maintained a weirdly important place in US politics. It wasn't that long ago that politicians openly fundraising for the IRA didn't merit more than a bat of the eye.
     
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  12. SaintStu

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    That all makes some sort of sense for over 40 years ago.
    Just to me seems so irrelevant to today. Just another form of tribalism which long with greed is the stem of all evils in the human race.
     
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  13. ChilcoSaint

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    The Americans, like most sane people, don’t want a return to the tribalism of 40 years ago, that the whole point of preserving the Good Friday Agreement. This is quite a good piece:
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  14. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    I liked the quote in the Guardian today regarding Johnson's willingness to shift with the wind: One former aide to Barack Obama put it less charitably when he called the Conservative leader “a shapeshifting creep”.
     
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  15. saintrichie123

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  16. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

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    So Johnson is telling the G7 leaders that the UK is a country. That is a lie and par for the course. It is the union of four countries just like the EU is not a single country but a union of countries.
     
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  17. Jos Say No

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    You should probably air your grievances with the UN in this instance, as they classify the UK as an island country and a sovereign state in its own right. Or they’re bloody liars too.
     
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    Nah just got it wrong probably a septic did the geography.
     
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  19. Jos Say No

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    What on Earth are you waffling about?
     
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    What's the difference between a septic and a sceptic? One's got it and one's less sure.. vaccinating subject... I 'm watching England wishing I was watching the tennis. I'm not septic as far as know. There again just got back from the pub...
     
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