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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but couldn’t disagree more and think this is way too harsh of a statement

    I may massively disagree with people on this forum but I will always try to accept their view and respect even if it’s the opposite to mine. You can’t call them not real fans of the club just because they back enic
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Last time I checked, the reason we're currently in the **** managerially speaking is because we did exactly what the shoutiest part of our fanbase wanted, and then did what the most exasperated part of our fanbase wanted
     
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  3. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think Levy would make decisions based on what fans think. He’s more professional than that.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    I would probably have died before I could have got to the top of the season ticket waiting list under any previous owner so please don't tell me this one lacks ambition.

    The new stadium was an absolute necessity to make success possible. I don't think it was necessarily safe to spend another £250m on transfers and wages in parallel.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    He certainly has in the past

    Bringing in Hoddle was clearly fan appeasement, and Santini was much the same (and made more frustrating when Arnesen's recommendation, Martin Jol, was brought in as his AssMan)
     
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  6. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Another carefully reasoned non sarcastic post I see...you ever considered a job as a peace envoy with the UN <laugh>
     
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  7. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    I suspect be signed some players to appease the fans. Thinking of Bale for instance.
     
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  8. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    I would doubt anyone who backs something that is detrimental…ENIC is…they’ve had their moment with us…I dont support Levy/ENIC FC

    im talking about football here not skywalks…that **** doesn’t interest me.

    Some people are interested in the football…others seem to be interested in the maths…I’m not...I’d support an Accountants club or something if that was my thing. People who refuse to criticise Levy/ENIC have the wrong end of the stick and are using Tottenham Hotspur Football Club for something other than football interests.

    some people like to keep on backing the same old mistakes…probably like a bad marriage..the abuse is seen as love…not me….Ive got my doubts.
     
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  9. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Im with you on all that except for the bit about saying they’re not proper fans. We all support the club for different reasons and have different ways. Some are convinced the Levy method will eventually pay off and that the club will eventually win things but by doing it ‘the right way’. Personally I don’t agree with that but I don’t think myself more of a football fan or more of a Spurs fan than them for thinking it.
     
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  10. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    I don’t think I’m a better fan or anything like that but I doubt all the bits are in the right places in the heads of those who back Levy all the time.

    See, this is my point, you(not you) must be an absolute fanboy if you think Levy’s methods will pay off…based on what?

    please someone tell me what convinces them of this? They will be the same people who were probably making lots of noise about how Poch’s 5 year tenure will bring us glory, instead Levy stopped backing him…that’s one example of how this bloke has had his time with us and he needs shot…the next stage isn’t for him…I can find more examples.

    please someone tell me why they believe Levy’s method will pay off and I’d like a time frame because time is important and I’m not being duped by that old chestnut again.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    It does have to be said that a lot of clubs do the exact same thing, i.e Man Utd re-signing Pogba and bringing in Solskjaer as caretaker manager, however the obvious point is how rare it is for teams to do this when they're on the rise, let alone on top

    Case in point, Xavi being linked with the Barca job in spite having no managerial experience outside of Qatar. Could you imagine a sentence like that being used when Barca were the killing machine they were a decade ago?
     
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  12. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    It is now 4 months after it became obvious that JM needed to be sacked.
    7 weeks and 1 day after sacking JM and no sight of a new boss.

    I honestly do not get how this situation is acceptable.

    No manager means no players sold or bought that a manager has identified.

    Any manager arriving will know they were not 1st, 2nd or even third choice unless Hag joins.

    Managers have been sacked for making less of a mess than this.

    It's almost comical tbh.
     
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  13. PowerSpurs

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    There are no guarantees but as I've posted on a number of occasions, under ENIC our league position has been gradually improving while everyone else's apart from Man City has been getting worse. This despite the fact that we started with less than half the income of the Sky 4. There is no way of doing this quicker other than the Man City way which is actually against the regulations. So there is no one with a better track record who I want to see instead of ENIC. It's certainly possible that ENIC have hit a ceiling and some random new owner would somehow get through it, but with the club so heavily in debt I don't want massive risks taken.
    Some enhanced version of ENIC prepared to put in £300m of extra capital would definitely be better but that is not on offer.
     
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  14. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Since I've always thought that the manager's main job is to coach the players and that no single person can possibly have an edge in choosing players to buy and sell, I see no issues with not having a manager while the players are on holiday. On previous evidence not a single person will agree with me though.
     
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  15. Spurlock

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    I don’t want a summer spree of £300 mill

    I will know when we tackle the challenge of competing for the league in a serious manner...we don’t do that. Smart doesn’t cost money...Levy can’t even be smart. If he was smart he would have parted with the extra odd million here or there in buying these players that everyone who watches football knows are great players. It’s not as though he won’t part with the money, he will just do a BOGOF deal on deadline day or something. Rodon being the last such purchase.

    He’s not smart enough when it comes to football, that’s why I think he’s done for what is required.
     
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  16. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Because the manager can identify who he wants to buy/sell etc.

    Look at Leicester and Liverpool, both doing business already (according to rumours with each other too).

    The longer it takes to get a manager means less time for him and when rushed that’s usually when humans make mistakes .
     
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  17. The Changing Man

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    I don't think that there will be much transfer business transacted before the Euros, so as long as we get someone appointed in June with Paratici seemingly arriving shortly we will be in a position to get transfers completed before the players report back for pre-season .
     
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  18. Citizen Kane.

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    My main concern here is our history with managers and DOFs clashing over issues such as which players to sell/sign and which vision to pursue. There is truth in what you are saying but ultimately it isn't realistic to expect a manager to have zero input in anything that doesn't take place during training or an actual match.

    Arnesen-Santini was a disaster but mainly because Levy picked a manager his DOF didn't want.

    Arnesen-Jol had the makings of a dream team until Chelsea broke the law to bring him in.

    Commoli-Jol was a disaster because Jol didn't work well with him and opposed most of his signings.

    Baldini-AVB was a disaster because the latter already had a record breaking season under his (rather haughty) belt and didn't share the same vision as his DOF.

    My worry is we're hearing Paratici has been hired and is already mapping out which players to buy and sell. But will he also be given carte blanche to appoint a manager who he works well with? That can't be more than 3-4 people on planet earth and one has already rejected us while another has just been reappointed at Juve. So the likelihood there is already miniscule. But then you hear that Levy and Hitchen form the other arms of a three way committee in hiring the next manager. So whose vision does that manager share? Levy's? Hitchen's? Paratici's? And who decides which players he does and doesn't want to work with?

    The longer this drags on, the more entrenched Paratici's vision will become (rightly so: we're not paying him a king's ransom to put his feet up), the more players will be touted to potential sellers, the harder it will be for NEW MANAGER to reverse the decisions that are currently being made blind at worse, myopic at best.
     
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  19. PowerSpurs

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    But I've no interest in who the manager wants to buy or sell as I don't expect him to have an edge in those transactions. Why would he? A few individuals might have but they most likely won't be great coaches as that is a different skill set and very few people are top class at two things.
    If you were appointing a senior manager in any other walk of life and at the interview they said they only wanted the job if they could hire a bunch of mates to work with them, wanted to sell your capital assets at a loss and buy some expensive replacements of their own choice they would be shown the door sharpish.
     
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  20. PowerSpurs

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    I think it's actually quite simple. Each of Paratici, Hitchen and the coach have a veto on all signings and disposals. The coach gets the best out of whoever is in the squad. Anyone who can't work like that can work somewhere else.
     
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