Also as I understand it we bought out the sell on fee from Getafe some time ago so we get the full £33m to do with as we want. Sell Aarons as well and we could well end up bring in 3 or 4, 10 to 15m players. I think we stand more chance of staying in the PL if we have can spread the quality across the team rather than relying on one player. Suppose we kept Buendia and he broke his leg in the first game of the season, we'd have to play most of the season out without him anyway. How many future Buendia's could we get with the proceeds from this one sale. Slow and steady constant improvement of the squad, over time could well lead to us becoming an established PL side, we might have to revisit the championship again to achieve this, so what, the PL is not the be all and end all for a club like ours.
Can we get another million for the rights to our EMI song? It was written in the lyrics that we were going to be heartbroken when he left, but hey ho, we made him who he is, and they can never take that away from us. I back Webber to fill the hole and Skipp incoming would go a little way to mending the pain
Agreed. And it's not a surprise. This is a good price, and more than I think we'd have got last year if Emi had demanded a sale. Once our players are worth more than £30 million we simply aren't the right club for them. We cant pay them the salaries that are the market rate for players of that calibre. And weve always known this. To everyone feeling like Aston Villa is a sideways move, it isn't for the player, and it isn't for the club. Yes Aston Villa were scrambling around with us a few years ago, but they aren't the same club now, due to significant investment. We cant do that. Emi did well for us, he deserves the move. And I think we will probably flirt with (and maybe succumb to) relegation at some point in the next year or two. But our survival won't be due to whether we have Emi or not.
Found this post on another forum. "The timing of the sale was critical and surely played a part. Selling just before the end of our accounts year when we made a £30 million loss means no corporation tax will be paid in this accounting year. Wait another 24 days and we will be in the next accounting year when we will certainly make a taxable profit. Back of envelope stuff but I reckon we have saved £7 million so certainly not a fire sale." Anybody any idea if is true ? 1950 any idea ?
It's an important example to make going into this window. A player worried about joining a relegation-threatened team wants to know the club mean it when they say they won't stand in his way. Agreeing with a player that they stay upon relegation, but then we'll sell the following summer, is a lot more believable.
Possibly there are tax advantages to timing sales, though it doesn’t line up with the tax year, you ought to be able to carry forward losses anyway and I understand football transfer payments of this size are not normally actually paid in one go.
I thought clubs (not sure if it applies to businesses more widely?) were allowed to delay reporting their accounts for 3 months this year, so accounts in July not April. I'm not an accountant so I'm not sure if that's relevant or not! Fees are normally spread out, but equally if Villa have the cash, they might have front-loaded more of the payment to convince us to take a lower fee. Getting £33m this summer might have been preferred to £35m over 4 years. Pure speculation of course.
White flag? You seem to be forgetting what we are all about as a self-funding club. Get a grip lisbon
With Emi leaving and Aarons possibly as well, how many new players will we need? GK: Krul, Nyland or Gunn, McGovern RB: Aarons, Byram, Mumba LB: Giannoulis, McCallum (Sørensen) CB: Hanley, Zimmerman CB: Gibson, Famewo, Omobamidele DM: Sørensen, Skipp?, Sitti CM: McLean, Rupp, Adshead WR: _________, Placheta, Martin WL: Cantwell, Hernandez, Sinani? AM: Dowell, Stieperman S: Pukki, Hugill, Idah Players in italics are under 21 and don't count in the 25 man squad limit. That leaves 20 senior players, 19 if Sinani goes out on loan again.
Based on your list Rick: In defence: New GK to replace Nyland Aarons stays, or a replacement RB signed. We can't go into next season with 3 senior CBs, especially with Hanley and Zimmerman having injury histories. I suspect Famewo and Omobamidele get loans, perhaps with a January recall clause. A left sided CB would be ideal. LB we have a clear first choice, and between Mumba, Sorensen, Byram, McCallum have heaps of players who can cover there. Is the quality there if Giannoulis gets an injury? Not sure. Could see the club going either way on signing another specialist LB. In central midfield: Skipp + Sorensen might be enough at DM, but that leaves us with less depth than last season with Tettey having left. McLean + Rupp isn't enough quality in this area. I'd like to see Two CM signings. One more defensive minded but still able to contribute to attacks, one more box-to-box or creative from deep. In attacking midfield: I think fundamentally we need four first line attacking midfielders. Dowell and Cantwell are the only two I would consider in that category currently. So two AM signings, perhaps with one of them adding pace and the ability to play up front if needed (Armstrong?). Forwards: Happy to go with what we have, but a winger who can cover would be helpful. So for me that's 8 signings, assuming Aarons leaves. Squad: Krul, "Gunn", McGovern "Aarons", Byram, Mumba Hanley, Zimmerman Gibson, "Ajer" Giannoulis, McCallum "Skipp", Sorensen, "Defensive CM" McLean, Rupp, "Attacking CM" "Armstrong" Dowell, "New AM" Cantwell, Hernandez Pukki, Hugill, Idah That's 26 names, with Mumba, McCallum & Idah not counting towards the 25. Webber has spoken about not wanting a bloated squad, I think that's about the minimal working squad we could put together. For me, Omobamidele, Famewo, Martin, Placheta, Sitti, Adshead, Sinani all need loans to develop. Stiepermann to be sold.
My initial thoughts GK: Krul, Nyland or another who can challenge Krul (IMO Gunn would meet that criteria, but not fused if its him or not), McGovern Barden out on loan RB: Aarons, Byram, Mumba Aarons will be sold, a replacement will be need whether that's a permanent or a loan player will very much depended on Byram injury situation and how Mumba is viewed. Neco Williams has been highlighted as possible replacement, not sure if that's permanent or a loan, I suspect we have other options ahead of him to replace Aarons, if we are interested in him at all. LB: Giannoulis, McCallum (Sørensen) I think Byram could also cover LB, but happy to be corrected. If McCallum is seen as not yet ready for PL then he needs to go out on loan to a championship club, then we will need a permanent or loan player to cover. Brandon Williams on loan from Man Utd has been mention, he can also play RB CB: Hanley, Zimmerman I think we need at least 1 if not 2 CBs, Ayer from Celtic would be top of my list (CB Van Dijk who went from Celtic to Liverpool via Southampton didn't turn out too bad), If we could afford 2 CB's I'd be inclined to move Zimmermann on unless both Famewo & Omobamidele are to go out on loan (with Jan recall clauses) then I'd keep him as 5th choice. CB: Gibson, Famewo, Omobamidele If we can afford another CB in addition to Ayer then I would send both Famewo & Omobamidele out to Championship clubs. DM: Sørensen, Skipp?, Sitti This position is a real problem for us, Skipp on loan would be a massive plus and I believe Ayer can cover here as well. Sitti for me goes out on loan again to a championship club. So for me Skipp plus 1 other would be the best we could hope for. CM: McLean, Rupp, Adshead WR: _________, Placheta, Martin It goes without saying that Buendia needs replacing. Pereira from West Brom would fit the bill, but wouldn't be surprised if we signed someone out of the blue. Even if we did sign Pereira I think we would still need further cover in this area. Martin for me needs to go out on loan to a Championship club. WL: Cantwell, Hernandez, Sinani? Of the 3 crown jewels I think Cantwell is most likely to stay, but we need further cover in this area. AM: Dowell, Stieperman Again need someone to challenge Dowell for a starting place, as I don't see Stieperman as being good enough for 2nd choice, indeed I'd be inclined to move him on if possibly. S: Pukki, Hugill, Idah I'm not convinced Idah is ready for PL football, but what do I know, I'd definitely trust DF's view over mine. Armstrong could be a quality Pukki understudy and provide an option at AM.
That’s just reporting - it doesn’t necessarily tell you how and when they’re better off recording income depending on date. I’m not an accountant (let alone a football accountant!) so I cannot tell you anything more than “it’s probably more complicated than that”.
Your 26 names would be ok DH as Skipp is 20 so he wouldn't count. I think Placheta may stay as his pace could be more effective in the PL. If the rumours are any guide we seem to be looking for versatile players like Ajer also covering at DM, Ritchie playing at CM or AM and Armstrong at striker or WR. Pereira is a more specialised WR, but he'd be an excellent replacement for Emi.
Interesting line in this Pinkun article about Norwich's transfer budget. Seems to suggest we would have had £15m to spend on signings this summer without selling Buendia, that's probably £30m now. https://www.pinkun.com/sport/norwich-city/emi-buendia-norwich-city-aston-villa-analysis-8030750 Presumably that's transfer fees rather than wages. Conor Southwell confirmed that the Giannoulis and Gibson fees don't count towards those totals, so still £30m to spend.
Sounds about right, but we need to be realistic: that’s roughly 2/3 players of the quality we need. And we don’t know if the c.£12m on Giannoulis and Gibson is included there, in which case it’s definitely only 2. Otherwise we are going to need to get lucky on a free transfer/short contract and in the loan market.
I clarified whilst you were typing that it doesn't include fees for the loanees from last season. £30m for 6-8 players? Yet an expectation from Pinkun journos that we'll break our transfer record this summer. As a guess: 1 X £10m signing 2 X £6m signings 2 X £3m signings 1 Free agent? 2 loanees?
I think you’re probably right. To be honest though, I don’t see us finding two players of premier league quality for £3m (maybe youngsters for the future) I’d rather: - 2 players £8m-£12m - 1/2 players £6m-£8m - the rest loanees/free transfers We would be in a different financial ballpark if we sell Aarons (though obviously another big hole to fill...) but it would be better to see much of it invested in salary - as that’s a better proxy for success in the premier league than transfer fees.
From a usually reliable "ITK": Emi leaving was a gentleman's agreement made last September when he was out of the squad. Was going to be last January or this summer. His new wages are far beyond what Norwich will even try to compete with. His fee can (not will) be spent this summer. Aiming to increase height, speed, physicality of squad to cope with the Prem. Good few solid bids already made for other NCFC players.
Well we know there's been big interest in Aarons, Besiktas supposedly are now after Pukki. Cantwell, Hanley, Krul all made various teams of the year, so offers for them wouldn't be surprising. Hopefully by the end of the window the business completed does make us all feel a bit better!
