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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by GroveRanger, Jan 23, 2020.

  1. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    I don't believe the Govt, I don't believe the MSM because they have both inflicted psychological warfare on the UK for over a year and still with a year to go.

    I said that the vaxx has killed over 1000 people with nearly 1m 'reactions' and we know that many suffering reactions do not report them so the figure could be massively higher.

    You forget that it was you who asked for "the source", then wasted half your life reading the reports and compiling 50k word replies.

    I will not die from Covid, I am relatively young, fit, healthy and a normal weight for my height. I am more at risk of becoming ill with the vaxx than I am of falling ill with CV19.

    If, in 10 years, there is compelling long-term health data that the vaxx is safe (there is none at present) then I may take it but my risk of contracting Sars-cov-2 and developing CV19 is incredibly unlikely so there is absolutely zero chance of me taking a vaccine I don't need that could possibly keep me off work for a few days or worse.

    Texas and Florida all have a fraction of the vaccine uptake we've had and deaths/cases plummeted and no Kent/Brazilian/Indian/Siamese variants to speak of.

    The Media and Govt are not going to take their foot off our necks until we say "NO MORE" but unfortunately, the British people have a severe case of Stockholm Syndrome so no chance of an uprising any chance soon.
     
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  2. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    That makes you the exception that proves the rule. Of the 67 million plus population of the UK, how many can claim to have been in Wuhan (the alleged biological epicentre) between September 2019 and February 2020? Perhaps a hundred?

    If you have had exposure to the WuFlu and have built up antibodies then that is great. Millions of others could be as fortunate as you since we know that the chances of succumbing to this are very small – although it can still make one seriously ill and requiring hospitalisation.

    Having had two shots of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine, I have not been part of any “Messenger RNA clinical trial”. Only two of the currently approved vaccines utilise this technology, which is also being investigated for new cancer treatments. Personally, I am prepared to accept that this actual science has been trialled, reviewed by the relevant regulatory bodies and deemed safe to be administered.

    We are just stuck in the unfortunate situation that our government of lesser incompetents is being informed by an overly cautious bunch of leeches who insist we wear a mask to go in a pub full of double-dosed old codgers and sit two metres apart.
     
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  3. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    The ‘reactions’ figure is an estimate based on their sample group so is unreliable. The same data modelling lies that they have been peddling for a year. Who cares how many people had a headache?

    “50k word replies” – I have told you a million times not to exaggerate.

    Statistically untrue. Your chances of dying from the vaccines are at least 100 times lower than your chances of dying from the plague. And most of us could already have had the plague asymptomatically and not know it, in which case we probably have herd immunity. Try some credible anti-vaxxing.

    I have no accounts with any Swedish banks and no affinity for Boris or his goons, a situation that is probably reflected quite widely across the nation; but we could be in for a very long wait for any Parliamentarians (especially the official Opposition) to pipe up.

    So actual cold hard facts and rational debate becoming a real issue here – or at least the total lack of them.
     
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  4. Black Caviar

    Black Caviar 1 of the top judges in Europe

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  5. Toby

    Toby GC's Life Coach

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  6. Easter Road 1980

    Easter Road 1980 Well-Known Member

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  7. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    The reaction reports are not modelled, they are actual reports, as I posted.

    Spat cornflakes all over my latest iPhone there lol

    As not many people my age have had the vaxx yet, then statistically, there is not enough info to make that judgement but seeing as my risk of dying with CV19 is incredibly unlikely (I'm mor elikely to drown, or die in a car crash, or, and @DUNCAN DONUTS & @Toby will like this one, I have more chance of dying slipping in the shower than of dying from the mild respitory virus.

    Yeah, they get posted and you just ignore them. <applause>
     
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  8. QuarterMoonII

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    You need to learn to read the evidence that you are using to support your claims.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...irus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting

    Summary section:

    “All vaccines and medicines have some side effects. These side effects need to be continuously balanced against the expected benefits in preventing illness. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 44,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), chills, arthralgia (joint pains), and fever; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 55 years) than in younger people.”

    “The COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 23,000 participants. The most frequently reported adverse reactions in these trials were injection-site tenderness, injection-site pain, headache, fatigue, myalgia, malaise, pyrexia (fever), chills, arthralgia, and nausea; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. The majority of adverse reactions were mild to moderate in severity and usually resolved within a few days of vaccination. Adverse reactions reported after the second dose were milder and reported less frequently than after the first dose. Adverse reactions were generally milder and reported less frequently in older adults (65 years and older) than in younger people.”

    “The COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 30,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in these trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), arthralgia (joint pains), chills, nausea/vomiting, axillary swelling/tenderness (swelling/tenderness of glands in the armpit), fever, injection site swelling and redness; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 65 years) than in younger people.”

    It is important to note that Yellow Card data cannot be used to derive side effect rates or compare the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccinations as many factors can influence ADR reporting.

    “The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. It is very important to note that a Yellow Card report does not necessarily mean the vaccine caused that reaction or event. We ask for any suspicions to be reported, even if the reporter isn’t sure if it was caused by the vaccine. Reports to the scheme are known as suspected adverse reactions (ADRs).”

    That would appear to suggest that “adverse reactions” were a known known when the vaccines were approved (“reported in more than 1 in 10 people”). Yellow Card reporting is VOLUNTARY, so this cannot be considered as reliable data. As it quite clearly states a report does not equal a reaction.

    Approximate Yellow Card reporting rates to 19/05/21:
    Pfizer/BioNTech 61,553/12,700,000 = 0.48 per cent
    Oxford/AstraZeneca 182,751/24,200,000 = 0.75 per cent
    Moderna 1,972/300,000 = 0.65 per cent​

    All four of the PDF documents that you supplied links to start with the caveat “A report of a suspected ADR to the Yellow Card scheme does not necessarily mean that it was caused by the vaccine”. Naturally you are a well qualified medical expert so you did not Google those Latin names for suspected medical conditions reported, such as Lymphadenopathy.

    Which part of unreliable data are you struggling to understand? The system allows anybody to report an instance, whether qualified to do so or not, and cannot possibly be viewed as scientific. This is data modelling based on an unverified sample. At least the ONS are using a recognised form of guesswork for the misleading death toll.

    If you are young enough that you have not been offered an inoculation yet, you must be in good enough health that you were not considered in a priority group; and by virtue of youth you will be low risk. So since you folks are the only ones not offered a vaccine yet, we can end this debacle on 21st June.

    You chances of dying slipping in the shower will be much lower than your chances of dying of the plague unless you only shower once a month, inebriated and standing on a slippery surface surrounded by sharp objects.
     
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  9. Easter Road 1980

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    But what about the biscuits?
     
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  10. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    You really are a boring bastard but this is the paragraph you continually miss.

    “The attached Vaccine Analysis Prints contain a complete listing of all suspected adverse reactions that have been reported to the MHRA via the Yellow Card scheme for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and where the brand of the vaccine was not specified. This includes all reports received from healthcare professionals, members of the public, and pharmaceutical companies.”

    @Clownshoes close the thread.
     
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  11. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Wait. Do I take the vax or not?
     
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  12. Easter Road 1980

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    Really doesn't matter Fingers.

    You're going to die anyway.
     
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    "I'm going to survive the genocide. The only good thing to come out of this, is that a lot of stupid people will be killed off." Rob Wiles..

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...pe-out-stupid-people/ar-AAKBKJw?ocid=msedgdhp

    Less than a month ago, Mr Wiles said he would never get vaccinated. His website, TruNews, announced over the weekend that had been infected and taken to hospital where he had been given oxygen.

    :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  14. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    True, buddy, true. It comes to us all. Death, taxes, and pot noodles.
     
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  15. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Fak nuz
     
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  16. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    Take it if you’re 85.

    If 4 bottles of plonk and 60 B&H hasn’t killed you yet, I doubt a mild respiratory virus will.

    Stay strong @AllanB
     
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  17. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    *Malbec
    **Club King Size
    ***Shaggin durty wimmin

    My hedonism leads me true. I am immortal.

    Got a bit of a cough, though.
     
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  18. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    AllanB <laugh>

    Keep trying, Baz, keep trying <laugh>

    :emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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  19. The Anilingus Aficionado

    The Anilingus Aficionado Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    Okay Allan Bent

    @Crypto Capone add this to the dossier.
     
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  20. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Hmmm, there should be a dossier thread.

    BMX?
     
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