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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, Poch has a terrible history of spending our money.

    His personal picks have been...

    Clinton N'Jie, Vincent Janssen, George Kevin N'Koudou, Tanguy Ndombele, Juan Foyth, Giovanni Lo Celso, Paolo Gazzanigga and...praise be...Victor Wanyama.

    If Poch and Levy are going to be trusted to spend £100m - 200m, we'd be as well off having a BBQ with it.
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    N'Jie, Nkoudou and Janssen were all identified by Paul Mitchell

    Teeny tiny omission there...
     
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  3. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I don't think Kane was involved in any discussions about Poch's sacking to be honest, there's definitely a few I could imagine who would've been though, likewise with Jose too.

    Even in the Amazon doc he seemed pretty surprised about the news and mentioned he briefly spoke to Poch after he found out, that doesn't strike me as someone who'd have previously asked about getting rid of the guy.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    I've been assured on several occasions by various posters that there is a market price for players and that one of Levy's faults is that he won't pay up. If another one of his faults is that he systematically overpays then we seem to be in logical contradiction.
     
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  5. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    For telling him the truth?

    Not a very sensible way to run a business, is it?
     
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  6. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    We overpay for mediocrity.

    We won't pay the rate for quality.

    You're an intelligent bloke, this shouldn't be causing you this much difficulty.
     
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  7. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    I'd heard that he and Levy spoke and he told the truth - that Poch had lost it. Until one of them writes a book, it's unlikely that the truth will come out...and maybe not even then?

    Either way, Poch had to go, it's a shame that Levy ****ed up his replacement...but it's his speciality.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah Poch needed to go, I think for his own good as much as ours too. He genuinely looked broken, he truly cared for the club and I think the number of disappointments took their toll, for his mental well-being I think he needed out of the place.
     
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  9. PowerSpurs

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    Bruno Fernandes, Ndombele and Lo Celso were all similarly priced. It's not a systematic failing. It was however one of the first times we've been able to pay that sort of fee so maybe our method of determining value doesn't work so well for top players.
    Anyway, by definition, if there is a market price then all purchases are equally likely to succeed or fail because a market price is set where there are equal numbers of buyers and sellers.
     
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  10. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Are you eating fermented onions again?

    They were Poch picks, especially Nkoudou and Janssen. Nkoudou wasn't fancied by anyone else at the club. Mitchell scouted Batshuayi and the failure to sign him caused his departure. Poch spotted Nkoudou on the Batshuayi videos and was the sole driver for his signing,

    Janssen was an alternative to Batshuayi that Poch personally picked. He was filmed at an International between England and Holland a week or two before the signing.

    I forget the story about N'Jie but there was a heavy Poch involvement...and there's still no plan to replace Mourinho <laugh>
     
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  11. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Ask DH to go through our transfer spending in the last three and a half years...that's exactly what it is,
     
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  12. PowerSpurs

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    The manager/coach needs a DoF to talk to so as to avoid that sort of outcome. Whoever we get as manager, I hope we get a DoF too. Not insisting on having someone in that role is Levy's biggest mistake in my view.
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I’d rather not, it’s bloody depressing! <laugh>
     
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    If there is a 'market price' for players it is literally impossible to systematically underperform.
     
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  15. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Daniel, we're living breathing proof of the opposite.
     
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    It's certainly depressing but that doesn't mean there is a systematic error. Spurs won the first nine cup finals they played in. That's about a 500-1 shot but it certainly didn't show we had some sort of systematic advantage in cup finals that lasted 80 years.
     
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  17. PowerSpurs

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    Well there is a simple solution then. Ask Hitchen, Poch and Levy to list which players they want and which they don't want and buy the second list. Because a sustainable negative edge means that the opposite strategy has a positive edge. I can see no evidence that transfer outcomes are anything but random in the long run.
     
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  18. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    I've just found out that prior to players telling Levy that Poch had to go, Poch told a number of them they were gone, straight after the CL final. What a ****ing mess and Levy let it drag on for months.<yikes>

    Andros Townsend said it on the radio this morning.

    We are such a ****ing basket case...we're going to do it all over again...<laugh>
     
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    So Levy ****ed up Poch's replacement, which is his speciality you say, yet someone must have appointed Poch and Redknapp for example, so were they **** ups too? Not a contradiction again?
     
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  20. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I’d say there’s definitely some form of errors being made when not one of our signings of the last 5 years has been a genuine success.

    I don’t expect a 100% success rate, no team on the planet has that. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect people likely being paid thousands of pounds a week to have around a 40-50% success rate when purchasing players. Yet we’ve not made a truly successful signing since the additions of Son, Trippier and Alderweireld in 2015, one of those has since left, the other has been poor for about two seasons now.
     
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