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The Changing Man said:
I dislike Leicester with a passion, both the City and the football team. Maybe because I used to work for the Alliance & Leicester and spent many hours travelling from Kent to Leicester for increasingly dull and boring meetings, then finding that the City centre was equally dull and boring when we were out after work.

Then there generally average football team went and captured the most of the nations imagination by having a title challenge that kept gaining momentum until suddenly they were everyones 2nd favourite team, the media loved them and ignored many of the less appetising aspects of their play and even refs started reffing matches to their own rules to help them. Well not me - I respect their achievements which are amazing, but I was never a fan and once they had appointed Rogers that was the final nail in the coffin.

Oh and Paul Dickov played for them too.
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But they have had a better last 5 seasons than Spurs <whistle>









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I don't really get this discussion.
The following points seem obvious to me:
  1. The objective of football is to win so outcomes where trophies are won are generally better than outcomes where they are not won.
  2. 1 depends on which trophies to some extent. I would rank Spurs getting to the CL final and losing over winning the Johnstone Paints Trophy.
  3. However trophies are rare events and I don't think they are a good measure of whether team performance is improving.
  4. League points are the best long term measure of performance.
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Great comeback, equating one board on this site with all Leicester fans and thinking that doesn't undermine your attempts at sounding clever...
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It was rather good ... and certainly way better than your latest aberration ... but tell me, how many rival fans bothered to congratulate you on your recent successes? ... we've had quite a few ... guessing you've had none... because, guess what, you haven't had any ... unless there was a trophy for club with the most deluded fan of course? ... you need to get your bumps felt fella <laugh>
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Remember how you said other Spurs fans were disagreeing with me, and I pointed out the only one who had was KingHotspur - who posted the comment I replied to? Yeah, you copy/pasting a couple of comments doesn't disprove that, it merely makes it look like I pissed you off by pointing out that you were talking ****e

And the point remains: we didn't win the title, drop into midtable for a few seasons, then win an FA Cup. And this is the point that you are either being wilfully ignorant of, or need to urgently call a plumber over because you really should have figured out why your drinking water tastes funny, but do you really think Spurs fans would accept that? Or do you think the reactionary berks that shout the loudest would completely and utterly lose their **** about us dropping from 1st to 7th from one season to the next would do what they usually do and be a bunch of insufferable, moaning idiots and remain insufferable, moaning idiots for the season afterwards?

If you're going to insist on wading in, perhaps wear wellingtons instead of pink bunny slippers?
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All I’ve done is literally quote your own words back to you, and scoffed at your ridiculous premise.

Lesta winning the league after nearly being relegated the season prior, was arguably the greatest sporting upset of all time (odds wise it definitely was). They got to the QF of the CL the following season, but had a couple of seasons of disappointment in the league. They then recruited Rodgers and started to rebuild, nearly got CL football last season, look odds on to achieve it this, and have now won the FA Cup.

Yet here’s you, proclaiming that their achievements are somehow dwarfed by Sours winning **** all in the same period, going through 2 managers and ending up with the possibility of no European football at all for next season. With your ‘zinger’ point being that the fans would have got upset if you’d have won the league and then dropped back, a pot that you’ve not won for 60 years, and a cup that you’ve not lifted for 30. Which not only completely ignores the relative positions of both clubs going into the time frame, but is also completely delusional.

If you genuinely think that you’re on solid ground with this position, then I really can’t help you.
 
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FosseFilberto said:
It was rather good ... and certainly way better than your latest aberration ... but tell me, how many rival fans bothered to congratulate you on your recent successes? ... we've had quite a few ... guessing you've had none... because, guess what, you haven't had any ... unless there was a trophy for club with the most deluded fan of course? ... you need to get your bumps felt fella <laugh>
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We could win everything and rival fans wouldn't congratulate us.
They still don't see you as an actual rival. You're seen as a plucky underdog, not a dubiously owned club overspending to sportswash.
 
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PowerSpurs said:
I don't really get this discussion.
The following points seem obvious to me:
  1. The objective of football is to win so outcomes where trophies are won are generally better than outcomes where they are not won.
  2. 1 depends on which trophies to some extent. I would rank Spurs getting to the CL final and losing over winning the Johnstone Paints Trophy.
  3. However trophies are rare events and I don't think they are a good measure of whether team performance is improving.
  4. League points are the best long term measure of performance.
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So a league title and FA Cup is probably better than "coming close" or "pushing" a couple of times?
 
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Diego said:
So "mounting challenges" is better than winning stuff, fair enough <ok>

Have you taken into account the perceived size and expectations of the clubs involved? Leicester have been incredibly successful over the lat 5 years while Spurs have been a lot of bluster and a bit of a let down in truth.
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Right, it looks like more than a few of you need some visual representation

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Sustaining challenges is the point, because any team can have a season where the stars align and they get something at the end, be it Blackburn winning the Premier League or Wimbledon winning the FA Cup, but if the season ands and the following season either sees them never mount a serious attempt at repeating that or even experiencing some catastrophic collapse then the fact is there's only two types of responses from fans: either the happy-go-lucky one about having their time in the sun which may or may not have sections of the fanbase get stroppy because they should think they're Bayern Munich because they won one trophy (which is exactly what Roy Keane was saying about the Irish fans during the 2002 World Cup, that they be thinking they're bigger than a couple of good players and a bunch of journeymen even though the Irish side was a couple of good players and a bunch of journeymen) or they respond to the rollercoaster-like fluctuations by acting like the physical manifestation of hooking a polygraph to David Cameron

And it has to be said, in terms of size and expectations of the two, Spurs are ahead of Leicester in terms of both - and the point is we haven't met those expectations, which is causing certain people to start acting like Lady Havisham when they see any other club win something. Seriously, I'm sure that somewhere out there on Twitter there's one moaning git saying we should be ashamed that Cheltenham Town won League Two this season while we haven't won anything, when the fact of the matter is we have won far more than they have - because we aren't from Cheltenham
 
PowerSpurs said:
I don't really get this discussion.
The following points seem obvious to me:
  1. The objective of football is to win so outcomes where trophies are won are generally better than outcomes where they are not won.
  2. 1 depends on which trophies to some extent. I would rank Spurs getting to the CL final and losing over winning the Johnstone Paints Trophy.
  3. However trophies are rare events and I don't think they are a good measure of whether team performance is improving.
  4. League points are the best long term measure of performance.
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Ahhh now I understand ... so Man United will remain the best performing team in the Premier League until someone else overtakes their total points dating back to the Premier League inception? ... even if they actually win nowt in the next 5 years? ... gotcha ... <laugh>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
<laugh> ... but don't furlough our own staff and do reject PPV to rip off fans ... our owners are Thai and do what every Thai business does to survive ... greed indeed.
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They've made their money by being part of corrupt governments for years, dating back to Shinawatra and beyond.
The idea that they'd turn down an invitation to the ESL is ****ing laughable. They're as bent as Abramovic or City's owners.
Have you paid back the money from your bankruptcy yet?
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Ahhh now I understand ... so Man United will remain the best performing team in the Premier League until someone else overtakes their total points dating back to the Premier League inception? ... even if they actually win nowt in the next 5 years? ... gotcha ... <laugh>
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<laugh>

We’re 3rd in the all time top division points table, so we’re obvs having it off compared to City, the yo-yo no marks <rofl>
 
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FosseFilberto said:
Ahhh now I understand ... so Man United will remain the best performing team in the Premier League until someone else overtakes their total points dating back to the Premier League inception? ... even if they actually win nowt in the next 5 years? ... gotcha ... <laugh>
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No. But Solksjaer's performance as manager is better measured by league points than whether he wins a trophy.
As is any other manager's performance.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Right, it looks like more than a few of you need some visual representation

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READ HERE
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Sustaining challenges is the point, because any team can have a season where the stars align and they get something at the end, be it Blackburn winning the Premier League or Wimbledon winning the FA Cup, but if the season ands and the following season either sees them never mount a serious attempt at repeating that or even experiencing some catastrophic collapse then the fact is there's only two types of responses from fans: either the happy-go-lucky one about having their time in the sun which may or may not have sections of the fanbase get stroppy because they should think they're Bayern Munich because they won one trophy (which is exactly what Roy Keane was saying about the Irish fans during the 2002 World Cup, that they be thinking they're bigger than a couple of good players and a bunch of journeymen even though the Irish side was a couple of good players and a bunch of journeymen) or they respond to the rollercoaster-like fluctuations by acting like the physical manifestation of hooking a polygraph to David Cameron

And it has to be said, in terms of size and expectations of the two, Spurs are ahead of Leicester in terms of both - and the point is we haven't met those expectations, which is causing certain people to start acting like Lady Havisham when they see any other club win something. Seriously, I'm sure that somewhere out there on Twitter there's one moaning git saying we should be ashamed that Cheltenham Town won League Two this season while we haven't won anything, when the fact of the matter is we have won far more than they have - because we aren't from Cheltenham
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So if the plucky underdog has won 2 major trophies and the better team has failed in everything they competed in which has had better five seasons?
 
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Diego said:
So a league title and FA Cup is probably better than "coming close" or "pushing" a couple of times?
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As an outcome, definitely. But it's not a good measure of the club strategy unless you can tell me how Leicester deliberately arranged to be so variable in performance. If they did it on purpose then I applaud their brilliance.
 
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