Almost certainly not. It is becoming clear that the Leave vote in the referendum was a disaster for Labour. The working class Labour voters who voted Leave have deserted en masse to the Tories. I can't see any easy way to entice them back without matching the Tories racist pandering.
The problem is that Starmer tried that with the flag directive, which is why the Tories ramped up their flag shagging leaving him with nowhere to go Add to that the Reeves has literally spouted Tory rhetoric about the working class, how is that going to win them over? There is the theory that Starmer is trying to win former Tory seats in the south, but the obvious issue is that's worthless if they're pissing off huge tracts of the north so that their local vote is collapsing, because the days of Blair taking Scotland and the north for granted while focusing on nicking seats down south simply doesn't work anymore as Scotland's gone and the northern vote is heading the same way
There basically isn't a way for Labour to win in the North now. Most poor people in work seem to swallow the benefit scoungers drivel so I don't think Reeves' bollocks did much harm. The only way to get rid of the Tories from here is to recognise that in England they are always going to be above 40% of the vote because about 40% of people self identify as having racist belief and more than three quarters of those now vote Tory because of Brexit. Of the other 60% at least a fifth are firm Tory voters. So Labour needs an electoral strategy which beats the Tories when they have a smaller vote share which means some sort of pact with the Lib Dems and the Greens.
Given how the recent elections have often seen the Greens finish in third while the Lib Dems finish fourth, there's little point making a deal with the Lib Dems Of course, the fact their leader is somebody who voted with the Tories almost as much as Jo Swinson, who has regularly said the coalition was a great moment for the party, might have something to do with this...
That's the right attitude if you want to keep the Tories in power for ever. There was a Green/Lib Dem pact in Oxfordshire that lead to at least two extra Tory seats being turned over. If Labour had been part of it at least another three would have been lost.
Considering the Lib Dems have a history of siding with the Tories, as they have been doing it at local government level for decades before Nick Clegg joined a coalition, it's worth questioning their motives for their pact with the Greens, in much the same way it needed to be questioned a couple of years ago in Welsh byelections was to ask Plaid Cymru candidates to stand aside for them for what, in effect, was little more than Swinson prancing around saying "Look at me, I won a seat!" - which they promptly lost back to the Tories four months later More than anything else, it is worth noting that at the last election Labour did have a pact with the Greens in a few marginals, but what undermined that? Why, that would be the Lib Dems stating that it was important that they fight in every seat while also parachuting the FBPE All Stars into marginal seats, yet for some reason their supporters seem to have difficulty accepting this might have backfired on the entire country somewhat
I suspect Oxfordshire will have a LibDem/Green coalition which will mostly have policies that the Labour group can back. The gigantic mess up by Swinson wasn't the key to the Tories winning though. The choice for radicals in many seats is to hold your nose and vote LibDem or watch a Tory be elected. If more Labour voters had done the former in 2010 the Conservatives would have had fewer seats than Labour which could have led to a different coalition.
They need to hammer home the point about Thatcher wrecking the North, the current Tories all being Thatcherites, the destruction of Law & Order and a message of hope about how they'll help fix things. The Trumpservatives have realised that they can now blame the previous Tory governments and get away with it, as Labour hasn't been in power.
But Labour could help the anti tory position without even having a pact. Look at the result below in Thame and Chinor. Two seats going and Labour put up two candidates despite having no chance at all. Result, the Green narrowly loses to the Tory Election Candidate Party Votes % Outcome Nigel Guy Champken-Woods The Conservative Party Candidate 2836 21% Elected Kate Michelle Gregory Liberal Democrats 2781 21% Elected Morgan James Green Party 2482 19% Not elected Louise Heathcote The Conservative Party Candidate 2359 18% Not elected Jeannette Ann Matelot Independent 1667 12% Not elected Paul William Swan Labour Party 721 5% Not elected Tom Nolan Labour Party 515 4% Not elected
Ranked voting would solve that, which is why the Tories are so opposed to it and are quietly taking it out the back and putting a bullet in it's head.
Given the amount that a lot of them are utterly divorced from reality, I'm not sure what would. Pointing out that Boris wanted Turkey to join the EU and he was virtually the only one? Dubiously highlighting Priti Patel's intentions towards Indian immigrants replacing EU ones?
There isn't a way...that’s why a radical approach is needed that dumps the Tories out even with a 45% vote share in England
Swinson absolutely split the vote in so many seats, and deliberately set out to do so in places like Kensington given that was a Labour marginal but she decided that was the place to parachute in Sam Gymiah that allowed the Tories to nick the seat by 150 votes rather than think, hmm, maybe don't attack a Labour marginal that is literally in the shadow of Grenfell Tower More than anything else, the Lib Dems cannot appeal to tactical voters anymore because people have long memories and remember the Lib Dems got the Tories into power in 2010, meaning that so much of the **** that's happened to this country for the past eleven years can be pinned on Nick Clegg rushing to look important without having the political nous to have some demands written in blood if needs be so that they'd actually get something done rather than simply enable the Tories And this leads to what Labour should have been doing for the last year, nailing the Tories on austerity and the ever-expanding wealth disparity not just between classes but also regions, because if you want to appeal to places like Hartlepool you highlight just how much the Tories have shat on them for eleven years - and after that jab you come in with the hook of who the Tories are looking after, namely themselves and their mates and only themselves and their mates The fact that Hartlepool's new MP said they voted for a change indicates just how badly Labour approached this one, because the last time I checked voting for the party that has shat on your for eleven years doesn't bring change
The Lib Dems won't work with Labour, though. If they did start to, then they'd lose all the yellow Tories and that's basically all they've got left.
Indeed. And Labour has been all against change in the past. Even ATV would make the Tory job a lot harder but Labour opposed that. I think I would be well to the left of most Labour MPs on policy but I am much more of a pragmatist on outcomes. The choice is essentially Corbyn and getting a Tory Government or Blair and getting about a quarter of the things I want.
If Labour had offered the LibDems PR in 2010 then Clegg might well have backed Brown rather than Cameron
Labour can simply not stand in about 100 seats, mainly in the South West. The key to winning is making the yellow Tories votes count against the Tories. Almost by definition the yellow tories don't want a Tory Government.
