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Postecoglou & Lange (& Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Next gaffer, who's your preference?

  1. Arne Slot

  2. Ruben Amorim

  3. Luis Enrique

  4. Ange Postocoglou

  5. Brendan Rodgers

  6. Graham Potter

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  1. You’ve been Tanguyed

    You’ve been Tanguyed Well-Known Member

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    Conte made victor moses into a key player in a title winning team, that’s the kind of miracle we need with some of our players.
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Ally Gold just done a new article talking about a number of the managers that have seen their names linked with Spurs. Having read it, it feels like part opinion and part insight as to who he believes are and aren't legitimate ones to keep an eye on.

    Mason - Impressing but not thought to be a contender due to age and inexperience.
    Conte - Rumoured to be on a huge contract at Inter so likely a no go.
    Rangnick - Not a top choice (so possibly on the list but nowhere near a favourite)
    Potter - Players would be open to him, impressed with his style but concerns about whether he could make the big leap.
    Lopetegui - Not a realistic candidate.
    Sarri - Not believed to be in running.
    ten Hag - Was of interest but new Ajax deal makes him unlikely.
    Gasperini - Not believed to be in running.
    Rodgers - Plenty of admirers at Spurs but doubts he'd want to leave Leicester for us, plus the fact they'd want huge comp. I personally think he's the club's first choice.
    Foncesca - Not believed to be in running.
    Allegri - Has admirers at Spurs but lack of English and style doesn't fit the ideal profile. Also could be heading back to Juve.
    Marcelino - Not believed to be in running.
    Southgate - Apparently has a good relationship with Kane which is why he may have been linked but not expected to be a goer.
    Parker - We've been keeping an eye on him but is more seen for the future than an immediate Jose replacement.
    Howe - Not believed to be in running.
    Nuno - Not believed to be in running.
    Galtier - Not believed to be in running.
    Martinez - Has admirers at the club but defensive issues he had at Everton isn't appealing considering we need someone to fix the defence.
    Glasner - Not believed to be in running, despite having admirers across Europe.
    Klinsmann - Not believed to be in running.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    New deal is kind of an odd way of putting it, in my opinion. Ajax had an option to extend it for a year and used it.

    My impression of Ali Gold's comments is that he doesn't believe that any of those linked so far are the main frontrunner.
    He doesn't seem sold on any of them, whether that's what he's been told or it's just him feeling it out.
     
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  4. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Need to merge the Spurs and Millwall songs :

    We are Tottenham, super Tottenham.
    Nobody wants to manage us, we don't care.
     
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  5. Citizen Kane.

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    Tbh I wasn't at all impressed with ten Hag's statement when he signed the extension. Had the air of a man who is more than happy in a comfort zone of winning the league every year while knowing that merely qualifying out of a CL group is celebrated as a major success. Lacked ambition and could have easily improved it by adding something about being eager to face a new challenge in the near future.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Technically his contract doesn't rule him out, as it was extended by a year to 2023 rather than a lengthy one like the one Rodgers is on at Leicester, so the question would be how much that jacks up the compo

    Alternatively, as Ajax have been linked with a move for Sanchez, we told him to sit tight until the deal is signed, and then tender his resignation and join us where Jerome Boateng will be waiting for him
     
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  7. PowerSpurs

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    I don't have high expectations. In England, over the last sixty years there are only a handful of managers who made a real difference to their club taking into account the resources they had:
    Matt Busby
    Bill Nicholson
    Bill Shankly (continued by Bob Paisley and Joe Fagan)
    Brian Clough
    Alex Ferguson
    Arsene Wenger
    Mauricio Pochettino is arguably another but didn't get enough time to complete the work. Klopp might be another, Guardiola and Mourinho are just off the list because of the amount of spend.
    During that time the big clubs must have had 50 managers between them so it is long odds us getting another one.
    Incidentally, none of those had won anything much before being appointed.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    You forgot Avram Grant, who changed the fortunes of both Portsmouth and West Scam

    By taking them into the Championship
     
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  9. PleaseNotPoll

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    And losing everything with Chelsea. Top manager. <ok>
     
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  10. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    I thought at first this was a list of managers in the running.
    Some are still available.
    Although you might need to buy a few racehorses to improve your chances.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Alasdair Gold sending in his CV
    please log in to view this image
     
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  12. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    So Mason's first defeat in the league.

    The continued absence of Rodon and the continued reliance on Dier is extremely frustrating. Dele showed a bit more quality today than the last game with two nice passes, one obviously not counting in the end but all in all he didn't do much else, that said, with a lack of creativity from deep it's also hard to do so. I've said it in the past but I think Dele needs players like Dembele and Eriksen to help get the best out of him, without them or players like them, as we've seen for the last few years at Spurs and also for the majority of his England career, he's very inconsistent.

    The Lo Celso experiment needs to end, I appreciate Mason's options are ****, **** and **** but Lo Celso is no different. I'd much rather see Mason grow a pair for these last few games and throw Devine in, just give us something fresh. We've got little to play for now, CL is dead for us, give a couple young players some invaluable experience in these last few games.

    Tactically it didn't feel right either, we played into Leeds' hands and they took advantage of it. Jose got it spot on in the home game by playing on the counter and that's probably how we should've approached this one, we know this Leeds side are very energetic and trying to match/ better that probably wasn't the best option, especially as our two key players are more or less spent.

    I didn't think Mason would get the job full time even if he won all the remaining league games but I think today's defeat has killed any small glimpse he may have had. Keep him around the team or have him manage the U23/18s but he's not ready to be leading the first team on a permanent basis.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    One thing that has to be said, our fitness levels look garbage at the moment

    Obviously this can be expected for players who have been run into the ground like Hojbjerg and Son, or those who have rushed back from injury like Kane, but the entire squad look capable of playing 80 minutes and after that it's a crapshoot, and it has to be asked how the hell that has happened

    Obviously a large portion of blame can be put on the tactics of sitting back and running around like headless chickens trying to clear the ball off the line for 60+ minutes on a regular basis, but there's no denying that our players visibly flag in the last ten minutes, which is especially noticeable when subs somehow weaken us, as Ndombele did today or the Bale/Sissoko double sub did in the SKC fina
     
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  14. The Changing Man

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    There are rumours circulating this evening that Poch could be sacked if PSG don't win the title - probably bullshit, but if this happens does he go to the top of our list?
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I've seen that too, think it's untrue but knowing what PSG are like it wouldn't surprise me either if they did.

    Should it happen I'm almost certain Levy would offer him the job the moment Poch finished emptying his locker.
     
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  16. remembercolinlee

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    Pochettino coming back would be a total and utter disaster.
    He has not had the chance to develop his skills and Levy is not going to commit to wholesale changes that are needed as he will not accept the losses involved.

    Dier, Sanchez, Lo Celso, Ndombele and Aurier all massively under performed under Pochettino and are still here.

    We should be willing to sell all of them but the losses will be astronomical.
    Sanchez was £42m, Lo Celso was £35m, Ndombele £58m Aurier was £22m.
    That's £157m spent and we'll be lucky to make half that back.
    No one is paying more than £10m for Sanchez. Think that's also the case with Aurier. We would be lucky to get £35m for Ndombele and £20m for Lo Celso.

    Think Pochettino would be gone by November or December if he returned tbh.
     
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  17. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Agree about Poch, would be stupid bringing him back so soon but I think if the opportunity presented itself, Levy would definitely approach him.

    We'd probably get a bit more than £10m for Sanchez though, as out of favour as he is he'll still have admirers across Europe I'd imagine, especially Spain, Italy and even a possible Ajax return. Similarly with Lo Celso, for as much of a flop as he is he'll probably still have interest from Spain as he done well there with Betis, I think we could get around £30m for him. Ndombele is about right, £35m should be achievable and he'll likely have admirers in Spain like Lo Celso, his style would probably flourish there too.

    I'm equally interested yet dreading this summer though. A massive clear out is needed and more or less everyone can see it now, I think Levy didn't want to believe it a couple years ago but I'd like to think even he isn't blind to the trouble we have in this squad at the moment. Add in the managerial appointment too which is going to be crucial to get right... It's likely going to be a summer we won't forget, whether for good or bad reasons though, we'll find out in due course.
     
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  18. PowerSpurs

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    Every successful businessman knows that sunk costs should never be part of the decision making process. I'd be amazed if Levy thought differently. However each player does have a value and it is pointless selling anyone below your valuation unless that releases funds to buy someone below your valuation. In this scenario, I think there is more chance of Poch making Lo Celso and Ndombele into good players than buying ready made better ones.

    I think Poch lost his way a bit but is still a better manager than most out there. I'd be happier to have him back than any others on the list.
     
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  19. Alfie Conn

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    That came from Tony Cascarino I heard doing his duty to create click bait on talksh*te this morning
     
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  20. Diego

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    A players valuation is set by the market, remember when you were all terrified of losing Toby for £25m then found out that nobody was remotely interested in him at that price.
    If you (the/a club) see a player you want/need then you accept the best offer you can get for the player you want to replace and add it to the cost of replacement.
    If you are very lucky the price you get for selling will be equal to or better than the cost of replacement.
     
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