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Thomas Frank & Johan Lange (& Fabio Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Your Preference For Ange’s Replacement

  1. Thomas Frank

  2. Andoni Iraola

  3. Simone Inzaghi

  4. Marco Silva

  5. Roberto Di Zerbi

  6. Other (state in comments)

  7. Oliver Glasner

  8. Xavi

  9. Mauricio Pochettino

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  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member
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  2. Tilly'sowner

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    Is Ted Lasso available?
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    It's got another series, so sort of...
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    According to Alasdair Gold

    Looking At
    Julian Nagelsmann, but the odds are against us
    Brendan Rodgers, but it'll cost us
    Erik Ten Hag

    Backup
    Graham Potter
    Roberto Martinez (oh ****...)

    Not interested
    Maurizio Sarri
    Nuno Espirito Santo
    Marcelino
     
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  5. The Changing Man

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    Appointing a new manager is always a huge gamble and just about the biggest decision a football club as to make. Right now this seems to me to be the biggest and most difficult decision we have had to make in a very long time, we have no faith in the men probably making this decision and the talent pool appears to be quite shallow and is getting more so with Nagelsman apparently bound for Bayern.

    Having just read Ali Golds list I am feeling very uninspired, I dislike Rogers, (not sure why) but I see no reason why in the current climate anyone would swap Leicester for Spurs other than for a much thicker wedge and I he is already well paid so even if he is our first choice I think its unlikely. he will come.

    Ten Haag might be brilliant, but managers and players from Eredivisie are both hit and miss and we cannot afford another miss.

    Roberto Martinez - No simply no

    Graham Potter, still young and would be a huge gamble, but from this list he would be my favourite, his teams play good football and he may bring some of the players we need with him. I also think that his style may get a tune out of some of our misfiring midfield players, but I don't see his appointment exciting Kane and Son, or attracting players of a higher calibre, but equally that may be a good thing in the short term.

    I am glad the other 3 on that list have been dismissed as none of them appeal to me.

    Other names I have heard rumoured include Scott Parker, who is is in a similar position to Potter but a couple of years behind him in his managerial development and Gareth Southgate who I think is tactically inept.

    Allegri is included in the poll, but I think he will go back to Juventus in the summer and his football is of a more attritional style and we have seen enough of that for now.

    So it looks like its Potter for me, but not with the conviction that I would really like.
     
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  6. The RDBD

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    There is the pressure to now at the minimum to qualify for the CL
    in order to pay down the new WHL debt in a manageable manner.
    Something Pochettino was not burdened with during his tenure.

    The new manager will now have this pressure, more so given there
    is no end to the Corona chaos (which determines when new WHL
    will be operating at full power) .
     
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  7. PowerSpurs

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    What skills should our manager have and how can we tell in advance that he (or she?) has them. How long will they be given to prove their worth?
    I hope we get a good coach who spends most of their time trying to improve the performance of the squad we have and very little time on identifying signings.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    * Creating a team ethos, as opposed to an eight donkeys running around waiting for Kane or Son to score ethos
    * Ability to play to our players' strengths, as opposed to having a system and hammering players into it
    * Having players who are fit enough to play from whistle to whistle, not fit enough to play for 75 minutes before sucking air as the late equaliser/winner goes in
    * An understanding that midfield is where games are won and lost, not a No Man's Land between our goal and Kane/Son
     
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  9. SpursDisciple

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    And the other outgrowing his shirt?
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Sarri is being linked with Roma, so @remembercolinlee fears can be somewhat allayed.
     
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  11. humanbeingincroydon

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    Right, now for Palace to offer Martinez a contract...
     
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  12. BrunelGunner

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    Genuine question - why don't you want Sarri? He's a good manager and can do well if he's given time.

    He did extremely well at Napoli, took them from a side that was finishing around 5th-6th to 2nd whilst playing attractive football.
    Then he went to Chelsea, got them to 3rd in the league (finishing behind the PL and CL winners), reached two cup finals; losing one of them on penalties to Man City and winning the other by spanking us (and what a painful night that was).
    He then joined Juventus and was given an almost impossible task of trying to completely transform their style of football with a group of ageing, unbalanced players heavily reliant on a 35 year old Ronaldo in attack in a ridiculously short span of time. Yet he still won the league with them.
    The Juventus board got rid due to a lack of patience. Look at how Pirlo's been struggling this season as evidence that the Juventus job is no cakewalk.

    I wouldn't say Sarri should be at the top of your list, but as far as managers go, you could do far worse.

    He's better than people give credit for.
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Brunel is right in that Sarri really isn't a bad manager. I said to Bluey over on the Prem board at the time that I thought his lot were overly harsh with how they treated him and how fan perception of him was wrong.

    I think part of the reason why Spurs fans in general may be against him though is mainly down to the fact we've already had two former Chelsea managers, both of whom oversaw poor stuff and having yet another ex-Chelsea man in charge is just undesirable.

    I wouldn't be devastated if Sarri took over here though if truth be told but there's one or two I'd prefer beforehand.
     
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  14. BrunelGunner

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    Honestly, the only major mistakes he made was joining two very impatient clubs in Chelsea and Juventus that weren't prepared to give him time, whether that be the fans or the board. Yet he still won trophies at both clubs.

    He showed at Napoli what he can do with the right personnel and time.

    People always used to point to Sarri's lack of silverware pre-Chelsea, but look at the clubs he managed. Napoli (who don't win much anyway), Empoli, Sorrento, Alessandria, Hellas Verona, Perugia...who expected him to win anything with any of those sides? <laugh>

    I don't know if it's because he's a smoker and isn't in the best of shape that he gets a bad rep, but he gets far too much disrespect considering what he's achieved in a relatively short amount of time at the top level of football.
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The only deterrent I'd have with Sarri coming in is that he'd probably view Winks as the English Jorginho and make him a focal point of his team. Not sure I can handle any more of Winks after this season.

    But in all seriousness the lack of trophy argument is just something plastics often bring up. I could easily list a few lads on the Prem board who said the same about Poch yet were pining for him to be their new manager after we parted ways.
    "Sarri-ball" took a while to get going at Chelsea but it proved effective in the end and he won lots of plaudits for it at Napoli too. He's a good manager and he'll likely get a good job whenever he decides to take up something.
     
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  16. remembercolinlee

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    1.Didn't think his style of football was great tbh.
    2. He had a great ability to fall out with his players straight after winning the title.
    3. Can't remember reading anything about him rebuilding a team which we seriously need.
    4. We need a manager who is likely to stick around until we repair the team...that's gonna be a minimum of 6 windows imho.
     
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  17. humanbeingincroydon

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    One manager I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned is Gian Piero Gasperini of Atalanta

    He's got them playing way beyond their limitations, with them currently sitting second in Serie A, playing without fear in the CL with wins at Anfield and the Johan Cruyff Arena, and a Coppa Italia final in the offing too, and it has to be said if you look at their setup it's quite similar to the early years under Poch, as the €80m they received last summer for Timothy Castagne, Amad Diallo and Papu Gomez has been spent on smart signings like Joachim Maehle (who we were linked with last summer, naturally...), Mario Pasalic and Aleksie Miranchuk who have been instrumental in their form this season while having plenty left over in, and they play some expansive, high-temp stuff with a couple of handfuls of ****ehousery which really stands out in Serie A, as the highlights of last night's demolition of Bologna demonstrate



    Yet at the same time they can be disciplined and resilient, as the highlights of their 2-0 win at Anfield demonstrate, as they pressed the living hell out of their midfield and were rewarded and were ballsy going forward to the point that neither Norbert nor their fans could come up with any excuses for them being outplayed



    Do I expect Gasperini to be on our shortlist? Not really, as I do worry that Levy will take the safe option and go for A Big Name™ in spite the various examples of that backfiring on us in the last twenty years (i.e. Comolli, Ramos, the ubermensch) and Gasperini just doesn't fit the profile, but if attractive football is one of the considerations for our next manager we really should consider somebody who coaches passmaps which look like these

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    For the curious, the results for those matches were a 5-0 win over Milan and a 4-1 win over Sassuolo
     
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  18. Citizen Kane.

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    That's a good shout. Hadn't even thought of Gasperini. Similar trajectory to Nagelsmann just without money laundering. Also i would say that Serie A is creeping ahead of the Bundesliga in terms of overall quality and depth of competition.
     
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  19. BrunelGunner

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    1. In England, it wasn't, but in Naples, he was renowned for playing the best football in Italy. The problem at both Chelsea and subsequently Juventus was he didn't have a squad that was capable of playing his preferred style of football and then didn't have enough time to change that, as both clubs only let him manage for one year.
    Chelsea and Juventus had previously employed defensive-minded managers who wanted players that could play in specific systems that didn't require so much technical quality. They were efficient sides, but if you want a different brand of football, the profile of player has to change. That can only be done with new players, which is harder if you're at a top club with ageing players earning top dollar.

    2. His man management could have been better, but again, Chelsea players have a history of falling out with managers, whereas at Juventus, they probably didn't like the fact he was trying to implement something new, as opposed to their already tried and trusted methods.

    3. When has he been given the time to rebuild a team post-Napoli? People forget he was one of the most sought after managers in Europe. His stint at Chelsea has completely ruined the perception of him.

    4. I honestly think he could do well for you if he is allowed to stick around. He'd do far better than Mourinho, in my view. But that's just my opinion.
     
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  20. BrunelGunner

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    This is an excellent shout actually. He's done a tremendous job and plays exciting football. You'd probably concede a lot of goals, but you'd also score a **** tonne. I'm really hoping he wins the Coppa Italia final against Juventus, it's no less than he deserves for the job he's done.
     
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