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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

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    Lord Tebbit: 'We seem to be thinking of nothing but the rights of foreigners'

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    Mar 2, 2017, 5:31 AM
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      LONDON — Conservative peer Lord Tebbit today caused uproar in the House of Lords on Wednesday after complaining that peers were debating the rights of “foreigners” rather than British citizens.
      Peers were debating an amendment to the Brexit bill that would guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in the UK after Brexit.

      However, Tebbit, who served in Margaret Thatcher’s cabinet, accused his fellow peers of caring only about those born abroad.

      “It seems to me that the first duty of this parliament of the United Kingdom is to care for the interests of the citizens of this kingdom,” Tebbit said.

      “So if we are to care for anybody’s rights after Brexit to live anywhere in Europe, it should be our concern for the rights of British people to live freely and peacefully in those other parts of Europe.


      “Somehow or other we seem to be thinking of nothing but the rights of foreigners,” he added.

      Tebbit also made a bizarre comparison between the rights of EU citizens and those of slave traders.

      “At a time when so often these days we hear save traders criticised, my noble and learned friend the Lord Hailsham has made the most splendid defence of them,” he said.

      “That is he said that a man’s decision to do anything, he is entitled to make in accordance with the the laws as they were when he took the decision. Well I hope now we’ll hear a little bit less about students tearing down the portraits of slave traders.”
     
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  2. Bwood_Ranger

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    If anything we’re being too tolerant!
     
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    What happened to the great Brexit trade chaos?
    The ports would reek from the smell of rotting fish. Factories would close en masse as orders got snarled up in red tape. There would be chaos at the borders as deliveries were blocked, and services would hit a wall of ‘non-tariff barriers’ that would make it impossible for British firms to sell them across Europe.

    We have heard a lot over the last few weeks about how much disruption our departure from the European Union was causing for exporters, and there were lots of stories about firms that might go out of business or would have to move production to France or Poland.


    from leaving the EU may well have been less than £400 million a month.

    That demonstrates two things. The first is that membership of the single market, despite all the hype around it, doesn’t make much difference to most exporters. There is no question that it has an impact on a few, especially in sectors such as food and drink where the EU is very strict about what it allows into the bloc (mainly to protect its farmers from any form of foreign competition as it happens). For the vast majority, however, once a few pieces of slightly dull paperwork have been sorted out, it is neither here nor there.

    The second is that while there will be a hit to the UK economy from leaving the EU, we now know that it was completely trivial. The ‘lost exports’, which we have been told for the last decade would be catastrophic for the British economy, and would cost us a few million jobs, could come to around £4.8bn a year, not much more than a rounding error for an economy worth £2 trillion (it is about 0.25 per cent of total output).

    In truth, the Brexit ‘chaos’ is already over – and anyone looking back on the whole episode a decade from now may find it hard to work out what all the fuss was ever about.
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-happened-to-the-great-brexit-trade-chaos-



     
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  4. Bwood_Ranger

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    I look forward to you celebrating QPR’s next one goal defeat as a glorious win.
     
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  5. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    You can do what you want. You will always find the negatives, even with a sunny day. Truth is, your armageddon portrayal never materialised and we are doing okay. You better get back to listening to James O' Brien on LBC. You two would get like a house on fire.
     
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  7. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    free stuff
    woohoo
     
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    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Are we allowed to say anything or is okay to do?
     
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    I don’t think “not Armageddon” is quite the win you’d like it to be.
     
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  11. Bwood_Ranger

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    Grim.
     
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  12. kiwiqpr

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    UK Economy Returns to Growth as EU Exports Rebound



    The UK economy grew by 0.4% in February despite the national lockdown restrictions, new figures show. Figures released by the Office for National Statistics show that the economy is beginning to stabilise after GDP fell by 2.2% in January (initially pinned at 2.9%), buoyed by a record uptick in retail sales, advanced manufacturing activity, and construction. Obviously good news, although overall the economy is still 7.8% smaller than its pre-pandemic level.

    Still, there was more for Guido to cheer in the ONS’s data: total UK exports to the EU shot up by 46.6% (£3.7 billion) from January, with the number of UK-build car exports matching pre-pandemic levels from February 2020. Exports of food and livestock also rose by 77%. As expected, businesses are adapting to the UK’s new relationship with the EU – who could’ve guessed?
     
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    At the risk of outing myself as someone who just hates the country, refuses to accept Brexit is a roaring success, ****s on the flag, wishes death on the Queen, doesn’t even own a golden jubilee crockery set etc. I don’t think comparing Feb 2021 with Jan 2021 is very useful unless someone is needing to spin a positive story to be lapped up by those in need of confirmation bias. The historic figures they attach paint quite a different story, unfortunately.
     
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    <laugh> Desperate Dan.
     
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    Yeah it’s getting terribly difficult to find negatives to Brexit.
     
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    I can't believe you don't even own a golden jubilee crockery set
    Are you a Russian bot
     
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    Had to flog it to afford the new Prince Phil memorial teddy bear.
     
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  18. ELLERS

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    He is Lord Bore Bore.
     
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  19. ELLERS

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    So I hear. Even Nick Clegg has had to u-turn. Still I am sure there will always be a few fanatics.
     
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    There's a lot to be said for this. There are three cases taken up by BLM. The first is the black guy stopped for a traffic violation, who decided to fight two cops, grab the taser of one of them and discharge it at him. George Floyd who had allegedly been passing counterfeit notes and refused to get into the back of a cop car. And Daunte Wright who decided to push cops away and flee arrest.

    I don't excuse the bad police reactions to any of these, but the fact is, these black guys are authors of their own misfortune. Their own actions put them in danger of a trigger happy or negligent cop. If they hadn't resisted arrest, all three would still be alive.
     
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