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The Changing Man said:
Absolutely - its Horses for courses too and depends what you want from your CF, is you want him to be a strong target man who will bully defenders or you play with wingers who get the ball into the box early then a Shearer type CF is what you need. He is not so good if you want him to link the play or drop off to make to space for a midfielder running from deep.

To defend Bent (not a phrase I use often), Shearer couldn't play like him either. If you want to sit deep, leave one up and hit him over the top Bent was your man, he is certainly not the worst forward I have seen in a Spurs shirt but he is a long way down the list of the best ones.

World class is just a difficult criteria to establish - personally I think that its an overused phrase to my mind be deemed world class you would have to be one of the best 2 or 3 in your position at the time so that in the unlikely event of a test match between the Earth and Mars you would be selected for the earth squad - Shearer was never one of the best 4 forwards in world football so fails in my criteria. (as does Ali Diea) .......(and Darren Bent)
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Agreed, that's why Harry's never been world class in my book....
 
Spurlock said:
I understand what Croydon saying...surely there is more to a strikers game than popping the ball into the net. We all agree on that because I know everyone thinks and rightly so that Darren Bent was ****.

however I can’t recall if Shearer was affective off the ball like for example Kane is. I do recall Shearer scoring some blockbusters though from a fair distance and Darren Bent can only dream of them type of finishes. From that I suspect Shearer dropped a bit deeper and did more in his 90 minutes than to score but I can’t really recall.
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Some quick data analytics ( "dimensioned" by top flight league
of the clubs played for) that enable you to discern the quality of a
forward without ever seeing them play :

1. total goals (career, per season)
2. goal strike rate (ditto)
3. assists (ditto)

A cursory look at the stats for Shearer show that on 1/2,
he was an excellent top-flight league striker.
Cannot comment on #3 as the stats are not to hand.

On other intangible measures (is the player a goal attempt
"blocker" - selfish, formation set entirely to serve them and
no others etc) , you would have to have a seen a serious
number of games they played in to make particular claims.
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Making him marginally better than Andy Cole

You might notice that nobody has ever called Andy Cole "world class"
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Shearer and Cole are the 1st and 3rd highest scorers in PL history. Cole also won a treble with Man Utd and Shearer was a huge reason why Blackburn won the title in 1995

To compare either to Darren Bent is ridiculous
 
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KingHotspur said:
Shearer and Cole are the 1st and 3rd highest scorers in PL history. Cole also won a treble with Man Utd and Shearer was a huge reason why Blackburn won the title in 1995

To compare either to Darren Bent is ridiculous
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The fact that nobody has ever called Andy Cole "world class" should indicate what the issue is here

Let's be honest, the Premier League they played in was basically what MLS is now, where most teams are made up of journeymen topped off with someone topping up their pension which is why the likes of Shearer, Cole and Fowler are still among the top ten scorers to this day, as back then Ben Thatcher, Dean Austin and Ramon Vega were considered PL-quality defenders
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
The fact that nobody has ever called Andy Cole "world class" should indicate what the issue is here

Let's be honest, the Premier League they played in was basically what MLS is now, where most teams are made up of journeymen topped off with someone topping up their pension which is why the likes of Shearer, Cole and Fowler are still among the top ten scorers to this day, as back then Ben Thatcher, Dean Austin and Ramon Vega were considered PL-quality defenders
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You bitter, bitter boy <laugh>
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
The fact that nobody has ever called Andy Cole "world class" should indicate what the issue is here

Let's be honest, the Premier League they played in was basically what MLS is now, where most teams are made up of journeymen topped off with someone topping up their pension which is why the likes of Shearer, Cole and Fowler are still among the top ten scorers to this day, as back then Ben Thatcher, Dean Austin and Ramon Vega were considered PL-quality defenders
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And yet the Premier League of that era produced an England team that still hasn't been surpassed in terms of quality of football. Go figure...
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
The fact that nobody has ever called Andy Cole "world class" should indicate what the issue is here

Let's be honest, the Premier League they played in was basically what MLS is now, where most teams are made up of journeymen topped off with someone topping up their pension which is why the likes of Shearer, Cole and Fowler are still among the top ten scorers to this day, as back then Ben Thatcher, Dean Austin and Ramon Vega were considered PL-quality defenders
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it's probably more to do with all the best strikers nowadays are foreign imports and they don't tend to stay in the premier league for their entire career and move on elsewhere (or weren't here from the start). If you look at the goals to game ratios nowadays, they have never been better i believe
 
C. Kane said:
And yet the Premier League of that era produced an England team that still hasn't been surpassed in terms of quality of football. Go figure...
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Let's just look at World Cup performances of that era
1994 - DNQ
1998 - Round of 16

And now look at the World Cup performances immediately after Shearer retired from internationals
2002 - Quarter finals
2006 - Quarter finals

Hardly a coincidence that, once English football evolved from relics like Shearer, performances improved
 
Diego said:
Couldn't be arsed making a long winded "humorous" post so just went for accuracy, sorry.

Any views on Clive Allen as a striker?
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Said like it isn't a cliche at this point n the Pond Life board that you throw around the word "bitter" when you cannot construct anything approaching a valid argument

And yes, I do have an opinion on Clive Allen, thanks for asking, and that opinion is that he wasn't a world class striker and only a blithering idiot would try chucking his name around as a "Gotcha!" comment
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Let's just look at World Cup performances of that era
1994 - DNQ
1998 - Round of 16

And now look at the World Cup performances immediately after Shearer retired from internationals
2002 - Quarter finals
2006 - Quarter finals

Hardly a coincidence that, once English football evolved from relics like Shearer, performances improved
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Or managed to get drawn in more groups with the likes of San Marino in ?
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Said like it isn't a cliche at this point n the Pond Life board that you throw around the word "bitter" when you cannot construct anything approaching a valid argument

And yes, I do have an opinion on Clive Allen, thanks for asking, and that opinion is that he wasn't a world class striker and only a blithering idiot would try chucking his name around as a "Gotcha!" comment
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A gotcha comment <laugh>

I was just testing what you opinion of general Spurs players is :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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