The thing I can't quite be certain of is uf the copper went out that day with intent to do that to someone and kill them. Im not one to trust the police, not even the ones we have here and they don't even touch yank cops for being nazi like storm troopers. Ive watched the video many times, I've not yet heard anyone say its anything other than sickening to watch. But did chauvin know he was killing gf? I just find it so difficult to believe a copper could be that drunk from power that they'd do that in front of a crowd filming. He didn't seem at any point in the video like he'd lost his temper, no raised voices, no shouting at gf when on the floor. This is why I need to see chauvin on the stand. If he's a cold blooded bastard he won't be able to hide up it up there.
Maybe what I'm suggesting is that chauvin lost his ****. I'm talking that silent lose your **** which for some can be worse then the alternative. So he does, during the car struggle, maybe gets a accidental bang from gf, gets him out the car to teach him who's boss, does that for a few mins then this is where I'm stumped. It's the continued restraint of gf from that pint I can't get my head around. I just don't understand why one of the other coppers doesn't intervene and say hey man that's enough, it was there for all to see he was struggling, then limp ffs. They for me should be up on charges too. They have a responsibility as officers. I need to see this guy on the stand to make my mind up I think. Hes guilty of killing gf and he will go down, but I'm unsure on the top charge tbh
They've got his Lieutenant up at the moment. To put that in perspective, he is Chauvin's highest ranking officer in this situation as I understand it. The one thing that I instantly noticed, the defence said to him 'you are old school, gun and handcuffs' in what I'd describe as a friendly exchange. That wouldn't appeal well to me as a juror. Because old school could also be deemed as many things, such as dinosaur, racist etc. I'm sure their are positive traits as well, but it just don't sound good in a case like this. Edit: by that I mean I feel the defence has shot itself in the foot. Although from the prosecution perspective, that's a positive for their case.
I assume the other cops will be charged at a later date, but I don't truly know because I haven't looked to read anything about it. They will all be accountable, main question being, why did you not put a stop to this. I'm guessing it's a pack mentality type of thing kicked it, you need to be a conscientious person even if not well trained, to change the situation. It's about your human morals at the end of the day.
Also the body cam I saw yesterday was from one of the officers near gfs legs, he clearly says "I think he's passed out" after lifting gfs calf off the floor and it then limply going back down with a gentle thud They are as responsible imho. They let thier work buddy kill that man. No they actually helped him kill him by holding him after he was under control, for not stopping chauvin after a reasonable amount of time, and for keeping away people who could have and were trying to save gfs life. Just as guilty imo
You correctly read between the lines of what I was alluding to, old school white versus black guy. Not saying he is but just saying it's not a good look, when certain off the cuff statements are made.
I really hope so man. Isn't officer tao no Longer a copper too? What of the other ones? Did they resign or is policy to fire them when they go court? ****s
They are just as guilty. We are all accountable for our own actions. If a man dies in my custody, ie in my charge, then I am responsible if he dies, even if I didn't kill him. George was under the influence, he was put in cuffs, his well-being now becomes my responsibility.
I've no idea on any of their current employment status'. I think let's deal with Chauvin, then that outcome will guide us how to deal with the others.
Get your point but I wouldn't say 'just as' as they might not have had it in their locker to have knelt on GF's neck ... Certainly their non-intervention makes them culpable in GF's death, but I think they should, and will, get a lesser sentence.
The other 3 will be in court in August facing the charges of aiding and abetting 2nd degree murder & aiding and abetting 2nd degree manslaughter. They’re all out on bail after finding $750k bail bonds. They were all sacked btw.
Just watching back the lieutenant testimony, he has been a cop for thirty years. He stated exactly my thoughts, the idea is to get the person to calm down, so you sit them on the edge of the kerb. He went on to say, you need to get them off their chest asap, because you are restricting their breathing. You need to provide medical care to the person until the ambulance arrives - they are trained in CPR, and it's reviewed every year. 'Deadly force' ... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...der-trial-george-floyd-knee-neck-deadly-force Looks like all the chiefs are disowning Chauvin, so good work by the state prosecution.
I read somewhere a while back that Chauvin was the highest ranked copper amongst them so that’s why they didn’t speak up...I heard that Tao hadn’t been in the Police for long at all. so I’m guessing they didn’t have the balls to say anything, not excusing them at all tho. I could be wrong
Yeah could be another reason they didn't speak up. If I remember correctly the supervisor said Chauvin and Tao were members of his team, while the other two were new to his team. Also I understand that the two new members of the team, broke protocol, because they were caught in the same car together by the supervisor, and that is not allowed after such an incident, he also told them they had to turn their cameras on. So that's at least three occasions during this incident that cameras either 'fell' off or were turned off. Chauvin is defo going down, there is no way he is going to worm out of this, the only question that remains is how long for. Tao will have to go down as well, because he had the clearest overall view of the situation. Although it was the other two cops on George, Tao had more peripheral view. So should have been better able to guage what was going on, but it was like he was brain dead, I'm blind I see nothing type of character.
I'm sure I heard the defence stated he has a dicky heart. And coupled with the drugs he was on meant any physical restraint could've caused cardiac arrest. I actually think the defence lawyer did a good job of sewing that doubt. Don't get me wrong it's absolute bollox, but based on every major police brutality case we've seen it's a great "get out" and I can see him getting off. I cba to catch up on the thread so if this has been covered already fck it Do you remember a few years ago in London when there were protests and a bloke walking home (nothing to do with the protest) got battered by a copper and died of a heart attack iirc? Copper got off It's been the same since time and memorial. That's why nothing surprises me anymore, whether it's the cops at the vigil for the woman who got killed by a cop all getting off scot free, or this **** who paramedics had to tell him to get off Floyd's neck so they could treat him. Cops get away with it, a few shops will get burnt down, then back to business as usual.
Yeah, and as usual the people who owned the shops (and probably cars) will have had nothing to do with the problem and have a very good chance of being on the protesters/rioters side up to that point, poor ****ers.
