Fans of the small teams in Scotland will tell you they hope the Old Firm move to England and a lot of fans of the English clubs will tell you they don't want the Old Firm but the thing is they're all so narrow minded about it that none of them can see the Old Firm will make them more money With the SPL it's simple, if the old firm leave the SPL is finished. The EPL could take advantage of the old firm, Sky pay the SPL basically for 4 games a season, the 4 old firm games. If the EPL have both Rangers and Celtic then they have automatically just got themselves more money cos the money that was going to the SPL will now go to the EPL. Nobody wants the old firm yet they are a money making machine just waiting to be exploited
spl sides have good attendences and management so i see why they cant compete without rangers and celtic its time for both clubs move to england
Both Rangers and celtic would have points deducted for their bullshit chanting. Thats one thing that would happen if they joined the PL.
Rangers and Celtic should combine and be called Glasgow United or something. Its the only way forward.
Hello, Medro. How are you doing? You feel Scottish football would âdieâ without Celtic and Rangers? How so? Do you mean to say that all the other clubs, everywhere in Scotland, would simply go to the wall? I donât see this as (necessarily) being the case. Or did you mean something different? Just for the sake of argument (and to make myself seem mentally unstable, I daresay), Iâve always rather liked the idea of Scotlandâs other clubs â that is to say, everyone outwith the Old Firm teams â forming a breakaway league of their own, however far-fetched this may seem. I think quite a few people will have become tired with the humiliating spectacle of the Old Firm hitching their skirts and flashing their eyes at the EPL, displaying a breathtaking contempt for their fellow compatriots as they do so. Obviously, it would be a shame for those fans (of the Old Firm teams) who donât share the institutional delusions of grandeur â coupled with the nauseating spectacle of undiluted greed â so apparent in their respective boardrooms, but thatâs just tough luck. A breakaway league formed with no invitation to the Old Firm? Perfect. Rather than simply passively accepting the self-important whining and manipulations of the Glasgow pair, the rest of Scotlandâs football teams could take some initiative and stand up on their own two feet. (And not before time.) If nothing else, it would serve a most brutally salient reminder to Rangers and Celtic that they are as nothing when shorn of those âdiddyâ competitors they so readily disrespect and disdain. The default setting for any fan of Scottish football, as far as Iâm concerned, though, should be that we are all in this together â I donât want Rangers or Celtic to leave, although Iâm simultaneously excited by the prospect of seeing how they might do in England. (Iâm also not into blaming Celtic or Rangers for trying to maximize their potential or for trying to solidify their grip on âpowerâ. Anyone who claims their team would do anything different in a similar position is very probably talking ****e.) To be continually made to feel that the smallness of our clubs and the minimal revenues we may attract is a hindrance to the grand schemes of the Old Firm teams, however â as if the game itself is merely a vehicle for their exclusive ambitions - is an open invitation to an eventual and complete disenchantment and, we may idly hope, rebellion. It just feels that for too long the boards at Ibrox and Parkhead have given every impression that they don't want to be in this together with the rest of Scottish football - they want to be elsewhere. Is it so unreasonable, then, to call their bluffs and make arrangements of our own? Is there any particular reason the rest of Scottish football should be expected to stand idly by, passively hoping for the day that the Old Firm feel happy with their lot? (I excuse any Celtic and Rangers fans from these observations, incidentally, as I imagine their views are sufficiently varied and confused - just like the rest of us - and confine myself to responding to how the respective institutions present themselves to the world at large.) Reduced revenues? Sure. But death? I donât quite see it. I feel we would all still love our teams just the same. And many may find the notion of escaping the unseemly and perpetual scramble for TV money rather appealing. Living within our (limited) means in a league made instantaneously more competitive by the removal of the overbearing Glasgow teams hardly feels like an unattractive option at the moment, given the risible state of Scottish football. Itâs never going to happen. But still.
What are the other SPL clubs main sources of income? Tv money and home games against the old firm, neither of which they would recieve if the old firm left The SPL without the old firm may work for a season or 2 but with attendences in Scotland already dwindling I don't see them getting any better without the old firm. One by one each club would start to feel the effects of hardly any income and there's only so many cutbacks you can make before just accepting that you can't continue as a business
There would be no European money either, without Rangers and Celtic the Scottish coefficient would plummet. People may think Rangers and Celtic don't do that well in Europe but we keep the Scottish coefficient ticking along and that allows us more places in Europe. The other teams would get beat in qualifying rounds most years so they'd be making next to nothing by being in Europe
No old firm = no decent TV deal No decent TV deal = no money No money = ****tier footballers ****tier football = less fans Less fans = Clubs going under
Everything you say is unknowable, yes? I’m not saying it’s necessarily wrong, merely that you can’t say with certainty that this will be the case. You can guess – as you just have – and I can guess different. Is this fair? No Old Firm = no decent TV deal. Maybe, maybe not. It depends how you define “decent”. I seem to remember that before SKY came along clubs in Scotland managed okay. They survived, yes? They didn’t simply die? No decent TV deal = no money. Nearly, but not quite. No decent TV deal means less money, surely, not no money at all? Again, I go back to the point of the rather welcome way this may force clubs to live within their means, as opposed to trying to compete with the financial muscle of the Old Firm. How would this financial prudence be a bad thing? No money = ****tier footballers. The standard feels pretty ****ty at the moment, I feel. Besides, the upshot may be that more emphasis is placed on raising home-grown/ local talent. Why not? If the standard drops – possibly only temporarily (who knows?) – then the standard drops. It may be a price worth paying. ****tier football = less fans. Maybe, but a more competitive league would almost certainly be more attractive to a great many fans. Would you agree? Greater competition may lead to greater interest which, in turn, may lead to greater numbers coming through the turnstiles. If you don’t feel there is at least a potential for this (scenario) to be the case, why not? Less fans = clubs going under. In some cases, maybe. I can’t help wondering if saturation TV coverage of football is a bad idea to begin with, however. Crowds have diminished since the advent of Sky – is this right? Just say that live football was taken out of the equation: do you not think it likely that a few more fans would choose to go to games? If not, why not? Football hasn’t always been simply about money, as it seems to be today. I can’t imagine feeling particularly sad if the extravagant sums of money swirling around football and the preposterous greed this seems to provoke suddenly disappeared from our lives. (Again, I need to emphasise, I’m merely making some random points for the sake of it. Take it easy…..)
Scottish football is heading to hell in a hand cart. I watched an Aberdeen v Dunfermline match at East End park from the early nineties on youtube and there was a healthy 20,000 there, I remeber seeing St Mirren coming to Ibrox with 7,500 fans (Kenny McDowell scored the winner) and Aberdeen used to bring healthy crowds to Glasgow too. I remember seeing Killie beat us with Bobby Williamson scoring the winner in front of a Killie Broomloan front, nowadays it's a couple of hundred tops by any visiting teams. The people are deserting the game up here, the fact that more people wathc SPL games per head of population than any other country in Europe shows how much the OF mean to Scottish football. Without the OF, Scottish football will be like the Welsh league. Sadly.
In reference to him gassing Jews, they sing it about Spurs, I don't think he actually was an Arsenal fan!
