I'm unsure if this applies in this case, but don't emergency services over there in some places run very differently to how ours do? Ie the same body runs the fire ambulance police dispatch the lot? How's it work in minmaonopolice?
Pretty sure they are similar to ours, here you call 999 there you call 911 but either way you get asked which service you require and get put through to the appropriate dispatch centre. I could very well be wrong on this though
Compared to over here where they still have to prove the specific charge? Not sure I see your point. Do you mean here a jury will almost always be offered a 'Not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter' verdict but the judges there can't/won't do that? Over there they do multiple charges of which he can obviously only be convicted of one. In this case he's charged with second degree murder, third degree murder, and manslaughter as well iirc, so could be found guilty of any of those.
I mean over here juries have the leeway to listen to a case and come to the conclusion "yes, he did kill him but it wasn't intentional/pre-meditated etc. Over there they only have the option of "is the charge proved or not" If this guy has been charged with 3 different crimes then the prosecution is not very sure of it's evidence and i am surprised. Many crims in America get away with things because the charges against them are poorly framed which is a big problem for them.
Tobes will straighten you all out with the ins n outs in the morning go to bed or stick some Netflix on im having some toast and watching Desmond’s
My bad I never explained well enough. what I mean is, police and ambulance workers bump into each other all the time, seen it on more than a few occasions with my own eyes, some are real friendly. @brb earlier and you now got me thinking about the ambulance arriving, checkin for a pulse while the cop still had his neck pinned. and especially them driving away to another place before announcing him dead, brb suggested I think they could have got there knew he was dead and pretended he wasn't for thier own safety reasons. Which makes complete sense to me if they did do that. If youre the ambulance guy just arrived and don't know **** but there's a dead guy, loads of peeps not happy and copper you know saying "just get him round the corner and deal with it then" you'd understand somehwat how that could transpire. Just putting my thoughts out there is all before someone abers me
Knows lots of stuff Tobes, obviously a smart dude and you could deffo learn a lot from him. He don't seem to know he's a peasant dickhead tho so not that smart init.
For the first bit, only if directed so by a judge, and the jury in this case will have the same options. I thought the multiple charges was quite common over there but happy to be corrected on that. I agree they've added the 3rd degree late on as a back up though, and that's what I think he'll get.
Yup, it made no sense at all the way the paramedics handled George, everything about their approach told me they knew he was already dead. Paramedic checked for pulse. He didn't need to tell the cop to let the choke hold go, because he knew George was already dead. Sling his limp body on the stretcher, get him in the meat wagon and out of here.
I looked up the charges earlier. He’s been charged with 2nd & 3rd degree murder. For the 2nd degree charge to stick they have to prove that the serious assault he inflicted was a substantial cause of death. 3rd degree and they have to show he showed a reckless disregard for life, not that he directly caused the man’s death via the assault. The maximum sentences in Minnesota are 40 & 25 years respectively. From what I’ve read the autopsy headlines should be ignored, as they weren’t written or published by the coroner but by attorneys. The full autopsy report will no doubt be picked over during the trial. It’s clear the victim stopped breathing minutes before the pressure was removed from his neck, he’d also lost control of his bladder. A control centre operative viewing the scene via the live police video footage, knew the situation was irregular and called a senior office whilst the man was being killed to express grave concerns. Chauvin killed him in cold blood. He’ll get convicted on 2nd degree would be my bet, and given the case, he’ll get the full term possible. He lost it that day and he’ll have literally the rest of his life to contemplate it - assuming he isn’t carved up inside that is.
Agree with all of that and specifically that he killed him in cold blood. I thought he'd lost control of his bladder when he lost consciousness, but when it showed the video again last night it was just before. There was so many warning signs for the cop, that being one, that he just totally ignored. Even the martial arts guy tried to tell the cop, and has given clear evidence to express that. Whatever was going through Chauvin's mind is beyond me, it was an utter disrespect for human life. I assume this case is not going to stop at Chauvin and pull in all those other cops, that allowed him to lose control (at a later date). I also want to know why his body was manhandled on to a stretcher it was disgusting to watch.
Just caught up with the last 4 or 5 pages ... if you want a snapshot of the likely defence, the usual Gammon suspects are all over it on GC giving it their predictable spin ... in brief and to paraphrase ... it was the Fentanyl in his bloodstream that actually did for him ... if that hadn't been there then the resulting sore throat from the kneeling on his neck could have been fixed by sucking a few Lockets or Fisherman's Friends.
The Metropolitan Police acted "appropriately" at a vigil for Sarah Everard in south London earlier this month, a police watchdog has found. The force was criticised after officers handcuffed women and removed them from crowds on Clapham Common on 13 March. However, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary found the force had acted in "a measured and proportionate way". But it added that there had not been enough communication about changing events on the ground. Ms Everard, 33, was last seen walking home nearby on 3 March. Her body was found a week later in woodland near Ashford, Kent. Her death prompted a public debate over women's safety. The home secretary commissioned an independent investigation into the force's decisions on the evening of the vigil, which were taken in the light of Covid restrictions. The inspectorate found that the force was "justified" in deciding that the risks of transmitting coronavirus "were too great to ignore when planning for and policing the event". It said officers "did their best to peacefully disperse the crowd" and "remained calm and professional". However, it added that "there was insufficient communication between police commanders about changing events on the ground". It said its inspection involved reviewing documents and body camera video footage. Matt Parr, who led the inspection team, said: "We found that there are some things the Met could have done better, but we saw nothing to suggest police officers acted in anything but a measured and proportionate way in challenging circumstances." An inquest into Ms Everard's death has been adjourned until the conclusion of criminal proceedings. PC Wayne Couzens, 48, has been charged with her murder and kidnap. He has been remanded in custody to appear at the Old Bailey on 9 July ahead of a trial that is set to start on 25 October. The inspectorate also said public confidence in the Met "suffered as a result of the vigil" and that "a more conciliatory response after the event might have served the Met's interests better".
The police did what the government wanted and now the government has found that they acted properly. I'm shocked. Maybe Sir Tom Winsor can get another knighthood out of it?
I've been watching the George Floyd trial on a channel named CourtTV, didn't even know it existed until yesterday. I think the whole channel programming is commited to it. They had been anlysing the defence's angle of blaming bystanders. Seems they are suggesting from a defence perspective it's the right place to start. Although I'd suggest the prosecution witness blew that fallacy out the window yesterday.
You can understand why 4 heavily armed cops would be in fear of their lives from half a dozen bystanders with i-phones ... some of that crowd might have had the latest trekkie phaser app ... with settings for lethal as well as stun .. .
