I think the time of the bent politicians began to fade after the expenses scandal. There is just too much scrutiny now for them to get away with it. You see more lies from the current government? What do you class as a lie? Just give me the two biggest this year so I know what you're judging it on. For my part, I don't care that Johnson said that all the contracts were there to see. We don't know if it was a lie or he was misinformed but what difference does it make? If those contracts are never published then it would be a problem but that isn't going to happen so why does it matter to you? Surely you have more to worry about than that? I'd say the same if it was Starmer btw
I prefer to deal in facts not conjecture so I’m happy to wait for the outcome of the judicial review before I’d accuse any individual of specific impropriety. However, there was most definitely a ‘VIP’ lane created during the procurement process that saw contracts handed out, that went outside of the procurement channels. One example that definitely requires further scrutiny is a company called PPE Medpro, that was set up just weeks before it dropped for a £200m contract. The company had a net worth of £100 and just happened to be owned be a business associate of Baroness Mone. Hancocks former local pub landlord got a gig, might be completely transparent and a complete coincidence, but all of these contracts need scrutiny, as it’s our money that was being spent, and in a number of cases the goods were simply never delivered or were unusable.
Test and trace is the biggest pile of crap, a couple of weeks ago the grand daughter was tested at school and parents advised to collect as she had tested positive...daughter contacts work and is told to come in for a test and bring grand daughter, test taken at hospital which is more accurate than school test...result comes back negative... daughter phones school to be told she can come back then,daughter contacts work about shifts to be told by manager decision criteria has changed and track and trace having been informed by school about first test now hold sway and unfortunately daughter and granddaughter have to isolate for 10 days...so not only do NHS have a high dependency nurse out of action (on full pay) granddaughter misses school. Whoever has concocted track and trace is either a good sales person or a moron
PPEMedpro were awarded a £122m contract to supply medical gowns. The contract didn't go out to tender because the need was urgent. Thry delivered as per contract. Baroness Michelle Mone had no link to the company except that someone left her management to start/work for PPEMedpro. They are the facts Yours is supposition and conjecture. No matter who ran it or when it was founded thry delivered when there was a worldwide shortage of ppe so your daughters were protected. How much of a fuss would you have made if the Govt had said the contract for extra ppe is up for tender? Use some common sense please because you are very obviously not stupid
So the price per unit charged and the fact they were a new start up with a net worth of £100 is of no relevance whatsoever then? How do you reckon I’d have got on if I set up a new start company with no previous history and I tried to contact the Health Secretary about a £200m contract? Nothing to see here though obvs
I don't know how they got the contract but Michelle Mone isn't a Tory politician, she's a businesswoman. She has no connection to the company at all. No one has suggested she has. If I'd known how to procure £122m of surgical equipment I would have done everything I can to get the contract. I do remember that st the time there was such a shortage that people were making their own. Do you remember that? Your daughters must. You read all you want in to it but facts are facts. The stuff was made in China which is what I'm annoyed about, we should be able to make it here.
If you aren't listening to James O Brien on LBC you should be. It would be like going to your happy place. I can't stand listening to him.
Yeah it just so happens that he resigned from his position as secretary of the company who looks after Baroness Mone’s brand the same day he registered the new start up. Spookily, he’s also a director of the Knox Group which is owned by Mone’s fiancé, who also just happen to be large Tory donors. Proper rags to riches stuff. As the margin on the £200m of contracts lies somewhere between 10-20%. Nice work IF you can get it. Everybody move along though, look at those greedy nurses over there, moaning about their 1% pay rise.
Haha, I can imagine you’d not be much of a fan tbh mate. I agree with him on some issues and disagree on others, don’t listen much these days tbf.
Anyway gents, thanks for a sensible chat, the footie was proper ****e today and I think that’s reflected by my post count. Do us a favour and turn over the bubble blowers on Monday will ya.
Ok, I'll indulge you. Who sorted out the suppliers? If Mone is involved why didn't she just pitch for the contract herself? Or Bannatine? Why would they need to use a stooge that has very obvious connections to them if they were sorting everything out? Why not just do a deal with a front man that has no connection to them? The contract was delivered as per contract in a buyers market because, as I've said a few times There was a worldwide shortage of PPE. Don't you see how ridiculous it is when you unpeel it? You obviously won't because why ignore the facts when you have perfectly good conspiracy theories
of course it is.... I'd assume that a lot of people who live in these huge piles haven't go them by being "honest" regardless of whether it's through business or whatever way, it's whether you're comfortable in the knowledge of your lifestyle as to how it was obtained or your conscience won't allow it...and not interested whether it's labour or Tory or whoever shoves a snout into the swill they are all c***s
I never ignore facts mate, call me old fashioned but the truth matters, and the truth is all I’m interested in. Firstly, I’ve not said this deal was definitively bent, so let’s park that one, merely that a new start up worth 100 notes being given £200m of Govt contracts via a ‘VIP’ channel that sat outside of procurement processes and had no competitive tendering, should be looked at, as at face value it reeks. As someone opened the door to that privilege, and we deserve to know who, why and exactly what margin the new start up made on the goods, compared to the market price at the time. As it’s our money that’s been spent. Mone is a Tory life peer mate, I’m not sure awarding her a huge contract directly, in the same circumstances would have looked any better, do you? Her fiancé is Doug Barrowman btw, not Bannatine.
Haha, as it goes I’m not a leftie though. It’s a bit of current cliche, but I’m currently politically homeless really. I always said Corbyn was an unelectable bell end, and even post his demise Labour seems intent on eating itself from within. I was a teenager in Liverpool during the Thatcher years though, so not surprisingly I’m not a Tory either.
Just off the top of my head (maybe not this year) and not necessarily attributable to Johnson: hiring of 50,000 new nurses (15,000 actually to be retained, 35,000 would be new). this ones spin rather than outright lie, tbh this happens all the time. We will deffo not be in lockdown, lockdown few days time. We will deffo have christmas starmers a sheister, christmas subsequently cancelled There won't be a goods check between N ireland and UK, theres now a goods check Boris telling the world he didn't know about rashfords campaign until they had to do a u turn to feed school children. Worse one for me was the solidarity around Cummings when that nobhead who made the rules then went and broke them. He's basically a bit of a shyster who says the things you want to hear and then changes things all the time. I never thought i'd turn into more left but this government is pushing me that way. I've always been a centre right like stop dolling out benefits to make it a form of lifestyle (cheers blair), tougher crime sentences, less quangos, reduce foreign aid, more private enterprise but the older i get the more left i get when i see private companies taking the piss and dodging tax, train services getting more expensive but with less workers and the government enabling this. This has been a good read though, people are relatively entrenched but at least civil.
