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Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by OddDog, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. mallafets123

    mallafets123 Well-Known Member

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    I have suspected the 100k plus deaths is bollocks and hopefully that proved correct.
    Hundreds of grieving families last night said deaths had been wrongly certified as Covid-19.
    Demanding an inquiry, top medical experts and MPs also insisted they were ‘certain’ that too many fatalities were being blamed on the virus. One funeral director said it was ‘a national scandal’. The claims are part of a Daily Mail investigation that raises serious questions over the spiralling death toll.
     
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    Daily Nail , you don't take that rag seriously do you , ask a very simple question, why would any govt want to be blamed for more deaths ?
    Like unemployment figures, they are actually downplayed , of course the daily fails owner has a different agenda ......
     
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  3. Steveo

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    The excess death figures clearly point to the fact that the numbers have been accurate.

    medical staff in this country are exhausted - about time you faced reality instead of reading nonsense in your comic books.
     
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  4. mallafets123

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    Oh, I see. You only agree with studies from people/sources you like, others must be wrong. It is quite obvious The Gov or any body else for that matter do not know how many people have really died do to Covid, hence the need for a proper study to be carried out. I suspect it is a lot less than the figure we see on the news as many deaths are being attributed to Covid as these families say and are in fact not. We shall see no doubt in the near future.
     
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    The excess deaths only show how many people have died, not how in fact they died. I have one direct piece of evidence from a friends father who died in hospital, Covid is on his death certificate yet he tested negative twice in the 2 weeks before he died. There are many others like this. As my post stated a study is needed at some point and we will see. If deaths are 50k or 200k people want/need to know real numbers. I do not care where it is printed if it is carried out correctly.
     
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  6. rudebwoy

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    still haven’t answered a simple question, why would a govt want to inflate death figures that are its responsibility ?
     
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    It's all a massive conspiracy <ghost><ghost><ghost>
     
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    The ONS reported in January 2021 that England and Wales had seen the highest increase in excess mortality in 2020 in any year since 1940.
    If they haven't been dying with covid then what have they been dying of ?
    Because people have been wearing masks for nearly a year flu has pretty much been wiped out in England this year so surely the excess mortality figures should be down this year if covid was not a big deal.
    Over 120,000 people have died in this country with covid over the past year - the death rate per million is more than twice that of Germany.
    Start facing facts, the handling of this pandemic by the government is a national disgrace.
     
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    So some think the handling of the pandemic is a disgrace and some don't. Some think the deaths are understated, some think they are overstated. Of course there will be different views; there will never be agreement. Don't take it personally though if someone has a different view
     
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  10. mallafets123

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    I dont know,
    Maybe as Governments are pretty crap at everything they do the numbers would wrong no matter what figure they conjued up,
    Maybe as they do not care as they have no opposition to call them out on the figures anyways,
    Maybe as for the most part the press lap up the bs coming out of the Government regarding covid,
    The Mail are not the only ones now waking up to how spurious the numbers are, other media outlets are starting to look at it too.
     
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    So how many deaths do you think there are? 10k less? 50k less?
     
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    Ive no idea. It was not long ago they took 5k off the list at a whim. Many many people are complaing covid is on a death certificate and their loved one did not of covid. Is that running into the dozens, hundreds or thousands? Thankfully people are starting to question it.
     
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    Why? What difference does it make?
     
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    In what respect?
     
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    100 Daily Mail readers and a single funeral director <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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    What does taking a few thousand deaths off the total change? Is it because the UK is performing badly compared to other western countries and you don't like it? I really can't see what difference it makes if our total count is off by 1000/5000/20000 deaths?
     
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    IT MUST BE INVESTIGATED!!!

    Forget the corruption, the handouts to Tory donors and MPs, the incompetence, the delays in implementing lockdowns, the U-turns, the 'let's all have a big christmas party', the 'I've been shaking hands with everyone in a Covid ward', delayed cancer treatments, our pointless track and trace system that's cost around 20bn...

    We may have overcounted some deaths. That's the top priority.
     
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  18. mallafets123

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    It depends on if you want important things like this to be accurate.
    Personally I am not bothered how any country performs, it does not effect me.
    If it is 1k off then yes out of say 150k then who cares, but if it 30% out then...

    The above post in what Boris does, what The Tories do etc, I am not interested in that myself. I am interested in accurate figures about a pandemic.
     
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  19. Toby

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    Covid doesn't always kill people immediately. There are significant health issues that arise from catching it in certain cases, like blod clots or damaged lungs. People can test negative but still die from the complications of catching it in the first place.

    I don't see what would be gained from having a perfectly accurate death count. Seems like a completely pointless exercise.
     
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    As long as it does not affect you? I find that pretty selfish.
     
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