Jack Letts is white British guy and got the exact same treatment, but I think it's a different circumstance and he has a Canadian citizenship. Shamima was told to appeal to her parents place of origin. Who instantly said "nah fam" direct quote. Its a bit weird, but they're weird circumstances. Wouldn't a defector to an enemy state simply be shot 100 years back?
Yeah, think it's maybe simpler to take the names out of it, regardless if it's Jack or Shamima and ignoring the parental connectiivity in it. I just don't understand how a citizenship is removed. If you are born British, Frnech, German, whatever, you remain that until you die. Even holding a dual passport does not change that. So for example if you were British and your parents were French, and you held a joint British/French passport, you are still British in my head. So I guess to me, citizenship is a place of birth. Maybe from a legal perspective it's not so.
I think it should be, so I agree with you. Even though I think stripping her was logically the correct thing, its obviously a grey area and left many people uneasy. I mean, you can't say to someone "nah, you werent born here lol" Ironically, I think if Shamima wouldn't have acted so vile and entitled in her interviews it would have been appealed. The court of public opinion was well and truly against.
Fair comment. Think i'll still be interested on how this plays out in the future, merely from a legal perspective.
The removing of someone’s citizenship when doing so effectively makes them stateless is against international law. That fact would have obvs been the mainstay of her appeal against the HO. She’s not lost her right to appeal btw, she’s lost her right to return to the U.K. to attend that appeal.
Yup. Just crazy in my eyes, not about her I hasten to add. Just in how you can make someone stateless as you rightly state, against International law. So is this ruling just to stop her in the short term from returning to the UK - Can lawyers still challenge the removing of citizenship? Edit. Soz just re-read your post and saw you said she has not lost the right to appeal.
I hate to cynical, but I think it was a PR stunt cos she's so hated. But we have done this to others, our "friends and partners" hate it.
Maybe. I'm just interested in the legal perspective of it all. I still can't see it standing the test of time. As Tobes pointed out, it's against International Law.
The whole thing wasn’t about National security or perceived threat, it was always nothing more than dog whistle populism imo. If the woman has broken U.K. law then bring her back to the U.K. and prosecute her under U.K. law. As she’s a U.K. citizen. But what Javid chose to do at the time was to just throw some red meat to the base and make her Stateless knowing this was against international law. This entire case leaves a bad taste with me, as if she was a 15 year old white girl called Kylie from Surrey, who’d been groomed over the net and convinced to fly half way round the World to marry a man twice her age, she’d have been viewed as a victim not the devil incarnate.
I absolutely agree with you. I've always believed she was groomed, but I tend to leave it out of my text these days, because it focuses it too much on her, rather than on the subject of citizenship, albeit I believe both are relevant. It virtually smacks of discrimination, let's not beat about with this, as you said if she was a girl called Kylie from Surrey, there is absolutely no way she would have been treated the same.
Yep, there’s a fundamental point of principle at the crux of this and the precedent is just plain wrong imo. Her heritage should be irrelevant to her legal status, as she’s a British born citizen. They initially appeared to assume that her parents being Bangladeshi by birth somehow made her an issue for Bangladesh, a country iirc she’d never even visited. Not surprisingly they washed their hands of it, as she simply isn’t their problem.
not sure about that boys. If Kylie was groomed into ISIS i'd like to think people would leave Kylie behind
I read a fair amount about her circumstances before she went out there (abroad), along with many other 'victims' that were also groomed at the same school. It's not difficult to find that information if people want to. However, most hate her, so she deserves everything she gets. That's not justice, that's a lynch mob. Our jails are full of people who have commited crimes as bad if not worse than her. Like them all, let's throw away the key....so what's my problem, some might say?....if she was groomed, others can be groomed by the same method, we can either deal with this monster of ours as law abiding, peaceful citizens, or ignore it until the next time and just bury our heads in the sand. On top of that, no government should be allowed to remove citizenship if it was someones place of birth, for any reason whatsoever.
