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COVID 19 and vaccines

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Vincemac, Feb 15, 2021.

  1. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure there has been some advancement in the understanding of disease, and further democratisation of that knowledge.

    Within the last 20-30 years, nevermind 100.

    That's not to say they knew nothing. But we certainly know more, and that information is far more widely available.
     
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  2. Evil Jimmy Krankie

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    Thanks for the update. I just assumed that everyone would get calls from what you were saying. In defence of them though this is a once in a hundred year thing so they really don’t have a template to work from. Keep the chin up mate and do all the running about for Mrs Vince.
     
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  3. Ozzymac

    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    Yet this is one of the points that leads to generalisation Disco.

    People have an understanding yet still flout the rules by having rave parties, masses heading to the beach because it's a hot day, saying **** the world and having weddings, attending BLM rallies.

    Now, without generalising would you say that most of these "rule ignorers" are over or under 50 years of age?
     
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  4. Ozzymac

    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    And yet some still choose to go against the rules <doh>
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    People of all ages have been breaking the rules.

    People of all ages have been following the rules.

    Its not about age. It's about being a selfish ****. That's not limited to certain age groups.
     
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    Would you like to explain any points that you think would make some improvement to that generation's application of epidemiological actions?
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    By all means.

    "Look into antibiotics. They're going to be huge in 100 years.

    If you do catch the Spanish Flu, head over to Munich and make sure you repeatedly sneeze in the face of a young chap called Adolf."

    Beyond that, I'd probably leave serious advice to a qualified epidemiologist.
     
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  8. Evil Jimmy Krankie

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  9. Ozzymac

    Ozzymac Well-Known Member

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    Let me rephrase the question then...

    Would you say that more of the selfish ****s are aged over or under 50?
     
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  10. Disco down under

    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    I'd say kids are more likely to have youthful idiocy and are more likely to make bad decisions. Since the dawn of time. That goes for every generation when they're kids.

    Sure your parents' generation said it about yours.

    Sure I'll say it about my kid's.

    Wisdom of age comes to us all far too late.
     
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  11. Vincemac

    Vincemac Well-Known Member

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    Cheers mate
     
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  12. Draig

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    Ok then. I would say that my parent's generation were at least as likely to comply with any epidemiological instructions at any stage through their life.

    I don't think the people of today are as motivated to comply simply because they have not seen siblings, relatives and friends from the same generation die of various infections.

    The people I have seen complaining about lockdown restrictions generally haven't had a death to anyone close so they still have the youth's armour of invincibility that makes them take risks and do things that more mature would think foolish.

    Naturally they see the lockdown-liberty-economy equation slightly differently. They are also going to be more concerned that any unemployment will hit them hardest and the taxation legacy of lockdown will fall more on the shoulders of their generation too.

    Then, to back up these natural youthly inclinations there is the weight of scientific support from The Great Barrington Declaration and the reinforcement from the fact that their age grouping is last to receive a vaccination because they are at least risk.

    So its no wonder we have many young lockdown restriction breakers.

    What I haven't seen anywhere near enough of in the health propaganda being routinely circulated by our governments is warning that each infection the virus causes is an opportunity for the virus to mutate. The more mutation opportunities then the greater the chance of developing total evasion of vaccine-enabled defence mechanisms AND the greater the chance of the virus developing more transmissibility or lethality.

    I have nightmares about this virus mutating enough to become as transmissible as rubella (which is more likely to infect you from a distance than clise up) and developing the lethality of SARS or MERS.

    Yes, lockdown compliance is slowing the disease rate and protecting the health services from becoming overwhelmed, but it is also reducing the viruses opportunities to mutate into something worse (yes, It could also mutate to be less of a problem but, especially given our luck over these last year, I don't think this is a gamble worth risking).
     
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  13. samwise_new

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    first off, hope you both come out the other side of this nice and clear.

    secondly, i am an old fart but cannot help thinking 'would i honestly have stuck to the 'rules' as i am doing now if i was a teen self?; ...in all honesty i dont think i would have...as for this being an age thing, around me i know many 50/60/70 year olds that had people round for drinks, some went on regular 'house crawls', others went abroad and were meant to isolate when they returned and did not bother, seems the same ones are the ones proudly announcing that they will not have the vaccine, not so strangely, it is also the children of these people that i have seen carrying on as if all was normal, certain families have not altered their daily routine one iota and have no intention of ever doing so.

    while most families are suffering there are still many who refuse to accept there is a problem, unfortunately, these people are the type to breeze through it all while those trying to protect themselves and loved ones are the ones who end up with the virus.
     
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  14. Vincemac

    Vincemac Well-Known Member

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    Exactly this
    And people who abide by the rules get the virus
     
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  15. Evil Jimmy Krankie

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    What’s the travel rules for COVID in the UK? Serious question. I read stories that the police are fining people for non essential travel. For example going from London to Derby to collect furniture or travelling 100 km to get a maccas. Then I see Prince Charles in the news being feted for doing a 370km round trip to visit his dad in hospital.
     
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  16. MrRAWhite

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    Just found out that a lad that covered staff absence for my team at work before I retired has died of covid at the aged 52. He was a decent lad who done everything i asked of him.
     
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  17. Dancingstripes

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    So we are now approaching a year following ‘rules’ associated with this virus.

    How long are people prepared to follow ‘rules’ for?
     
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    Depends if you consider it as "Following rules" or "saving lives and helping the Nhs workers" or probably to be more succinct whethere you are a selfish bastard
     
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  19. Dancingstripes

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    Yes I’m sure you’ve saved plenty of lives following the rules.

    But how many more years of your life are you prepared to give away?
     
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    Did you apply for the arsehole pill or does it just come natturaly
     
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