Exactly, Vettel should be given a reprimand for that. If he didn't look in his mirrors fine, but surely at least a warning should be given.
I thought it was unfair, but you can't hand out penalties for incidents like that on the run to the first corner unless it's excessively dangerous.
Plenty of maneuvers that if (I will say it), a certain Mercedes driver pulled off, there would have been a penalty or investigation with an outcome against him. It is boring but true, and the harsh reality. I know Coulthard said it about Schumacher's fans, but I think you would agree.
I didn;t see anything wrong with Vettel's start first time I saw it and still don;t now. He made it clear early on he was coming across to the inside, if Button thought he had a run he should have gone to the outside. I don't beleive Vettel when he said he didn't see Button. If he hadn;t seen him, why would he move so far over the other other side of the track? Doesn;t do him much credit sayting that. He;d be better off saying he;d seen Button and was covering the inside line. For Button;s part, he was never halfway alongside, who is he kidding!? The gap was clearly closing so why put your car there? His teammate is there for those kind of situations......
Vettel wouldn't have seen Button initially because the mirrors don't give you a panoramic view of the guys on the other side of the grid. But Button would've come into view before Vettel ran him onto the grass. If Vettel was looking in his left hand mirror at Hamilton then his excuse is plausible. I still think his driving was borderline, and if it wasn't at the start of the grand prix it should've been a penalty. Manny, Schumacher ran Hamilton onto the grass in Monza and got away with it.
please log in to view this image I would say Button is just about halfway alongside. I think it would of been harsh to give a penalty to Vettel seeing as it was at the start; however I do not really like seeing drivers do that move at the starts and Vettel has done it on more than one occasion, so I would of given him a reprimand for it to stop him doing it again. I also think Vettel knew exactly where Button was, he was looking in his mirrors so would of seen Button before he squeezed him onto the grass and he went right straight away so it looked premeditated as well, if he had thought Button was not there then he would not of gone that far right. Also why is Vettel still going on about the Alonso move at Monza? Get over it.
Not really, Hamilton complained.. the FIA told Mercedes.. Mercedes told Michael to basically yield because Hamilton could not do what Button did easily and pass him. But I agree with the "if it was in the middle of the race". I don't understand why Vettel was risking it though, he only needed 1 point.
He did say he wanted to win the world title in style, maybe going out like Senna-Prost style was his idea?
Way I see it, all the more reason to give Vettel a penalty if it's at the start. With all the cars bunched up there's a major chance of a red flag incident if it goes horribly wrong. Liuzzi at Monza we were lucky not to see more cars taken out. No-one can claim that he "accidentally" drifted over and gave Button less than a car's width of room. Sorry, but I don't buy the excuse that "it's the first corner, anything goes". Obviously, yes, you need to be a little lax on policing things like weaving, since there's so much traffic it's pretty much impossible for them not to. However. Vettel had no excuse for pushing Button off the road, he's not in traffic and he has no reason to be on that side of the track. (And I cannot for the life of me work out how Schumacher got away with squeezing Hamilton out at Monza either.) Brundle mentioned the rule, therefore it needs enforcing or scrapping. It may have turned out irrelevant in the end but could have been a different story.
As this excessive swerve across could have been disastrous (Vettel & Button) and many of the following cars - I would have penalised with a drive through. In fact it would not have changed the end result - Vettel to win the WDC. However it would assert the stewards taking proper notice of more and more extreme manoeuvres. An ideal chance to warn the drivers for the future.
I think what he is saying that if Alonso can do it and get away with it, then he's going to do the same. So as a famous German once said "**** you McLaren" *jokingly*
This. Maybe the reason for asking the stewards in Monza was exactly this. To know which moves don't get penalized and why. So he can use this to his advantage in future races. That's Vettel, maximizing his possibilities.
Couldn't think off a better place to put this but news is filtering in from Pirelli that Hamilton did not have a puncture. Just heavy tyre wear. Concerning if your a lewis fan.
Here you go. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15287313.stm No puncture. F1fanatic article as well: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/10/13/hamilton-puncture-suzuka/ Lewis is struggling with the Pirelli's it seems, as people thought.
cheers silver well some of the comments are saying that because lewis didnt set his final run on new opions . He had to use old tyres for his 1st stint which combined with the high degredation and also how they were changing all that differential crap on the car throughout the race. It doesn't surprise me at all to be honest lol
