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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    <doh><doh> Let’s hope they blow it.
    Anyway back to politics... seems you are correct and the EU are standing down.
     
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  2. kiwiqpr

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    Maybe someone has told them not to piss off sinn fein and friends with a hard border
     
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    No chance of any EU heads rolling for the complete shambles they have been party to today. Their total incompetence throughout the pandemic has seriously damaged what little reputation they may have had. Squabbling, posturing and tantrum tactics has been a better advert for Brexit than Johnson, Farage and any of the rabid Brexiteers could ever have dreamt up. Having been unable to do their usual overturning of any vote they didn't like by finally agreeing Brexit this has been the injury time own goal that buries them...
     
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    For ****'s sake.
    These are a bunch of ****s.
    Some on here will no doubt still defend them.
    At least they're showing their true colours more and more every day.
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    You’re just gutted we aren’t invading Belgium.
     
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  6. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Yet
     
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  7. ELLERS

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    They have proved today (what we all said) that Ireland was just a bargaining chip in the deal. All this ‘we are united’ bollox is now gone. They didn’t even tell the Irish ffs!
    The German media has turned on VdL and the EU has been damaged by this. The U.K. must not trust them and now is a good time to tell them to stop f22ing about at the borders? The Eurofantics will try to defend these 2222’s but that is to be expected.
    It’s not just the thick chest beating Brexitiers who think they are 2222’s, it’s now the rest of the World.
     
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  8. ELLERS

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    That Susie Boniface is right eurofreak. Never says anything against the EU... always our fault.
     
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  9. Star of David Bardsley

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    It’s weird how much you (plural) care about the views of “Eurofanatics”. We’re not in the EU.

    Fortunately it’s perfectly plausible to acknowledge the EU ****ed it on this and think Brexit is the dumbest idea any country has ever inflicted upon itself in modern history. Naturally Farage and the like will insist on conflating the two.
     
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  10. ELLERS

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    You don’t have to be in the EU to have Eurofreaks? I have seen 1 or 2 fanatical... sorry, deluded tweets today.
    It’s also a first that you admit the EU have made 2222s of themselves. ...saying you would have embarrassed yourself trying to defend them on this?
    As for your Brexit comment... that is your opinion and many think differently. What is for sure, today your EU have shown many what they are about.
     
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  11. bobmid

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    Every dog has its day....or not so to speak. The EU, and a vast majority of countries have made themselves look like incompetent twats through poor leadership during this pandemic.
     
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  12. Star of David Bardsley

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    I don’t doubt it’ll be used as a massive stick to beat them with regardless of what they and our government do in future but winning friends on Brexit Island is probably low down their list of priorities.
     
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  13. kiwiqpr

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    Have they done anything to stop it being used as a massive stick with which to beat them
     
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  14. kiwiqpr

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    All brexits fault


    EU ‘not fit for purpose’ to reduce poverty in Europe, says UN envoy
    Brexit risks exacerbating poverty issues, says human rights envoy after two-month investigation

    Daniel Boffey in Brussels
    Fri 29 Jan 2021 05.00 EST
    The European Union is “not fit for purpose” in the task of reducing poverty in Europe and Brexit risks exacerbating the problem, the UN’s special envoy on human rights has said after a two-month investigation.

    Prof Olivier De Schutter, who was given access to senior officials across the bloc’s institutions, said the EU’s “constitutional framework” was driving a race to the bottom in corporation and income tax and salary levels.

    A lack of harmonisation on those issues, coupled with the 1997 stability and growth pact that imposes ceilings of 3% a year in national budget deficits and 60% of GDP on public debt, were major constraints on progress, he said.

    , said De Schutter, as the UK sought to find a competitive advantage over the 27 member states of the EU.

    Taxation is set by national governments but there is “soft” internal pressure within the bloc to rein in the most egregious policies that would no longer apply to the UK, De Schutter said.

    The UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights said the UK’s departure could weaken further the ability to restrain fiscal hawks in EU governments lobbying to attract investment.

    He said: “Unfortunately, when countries have to think about how to reform taxation, they will be looking behind their shoulder at Singapore-upon-Thames and asking whether they are not, you know, shooting themselves in the foot.

    “That, they’re already doing among themselves, but at least there’s greater transparency and there’s some form of pressure within the EU. But that is something the UK will not be involved in any more. So, the means of coordination to soften the competition are going to be lacking.

    “I think it’s going to add pressure on member states and make it perhaps more difficult to achieve the lofty goals they would like to set for themselves.”

    De Schutter said he had found “good intentions” within the bloc’s institutions but the EU does not currently have a target for reducing poverty within its 27 member states. The previous target of taking 20 million people out of poverty by 2020 was missed by 8.7m people.

    One in five people – more than 92.4 million or 21.1% of the EU population – still experiences poverty, defined as having an income below 60% of national median income. A total of 19.4 million children, representing 23.1%, live in poverty across the bloc.

    De Schutter, who was appointed to his role in May last year, said: “My sense now is there’s a big fear that if a new target is announced it will again be a failure.”

    Here in Europe's poorest country we have no vaccine to argue over
    The UN envoy publishes his report as the EU is about to agree on projects that will be financed by the bloc’s €750bn coronavirus recovery fund.

    De Schutter said that for all the EU’s institutional faults, there was an opportunity to turn around a record of failure – but that there was scant evidence that poverty reduction was a focus.

    He said: “The impression I had, having spoken with the teams in France, Italy, and in Spain, having prepared the national recovery residence plans, is everyone was working under pressure of the clock ticking. They have to imagine very quickly how to spend this money.

    “The initial drafts were sent to the commission for reaction to be given in October/November, and they prepare the final plans by April, and it’s very difficult to wisely spend money when you’re under such pressure. And so, for example, the consultations with social partners were reduced to a minimum. And very often people in poverty were not involved.

    “So the priorities were set based on a technocratic assessment of what needs to be done. And on the windfall effect of these European funds, but not on the sound assessment of the social needs. I think that may lead to natural recovery and visitor resilience plans that are not fully tailored to the needs of people in poverty.”

    De Schutter’s report advises that the EU sets a target of 50% poverty reduction by 2030 and that the pursuit of this is taken into account when the commission issues its country-specific recommendations on economic and social policies, known as the “European semester goals”. He is also asking that investment in children’s education and training is not included in the stability and growth pact calculations of budget deficits.

    He said: “It’s now or never that we can rethink the EU and avoid this mismatch that still exists between the economic dimension and the organisation of competition across the internal market on one hand, and the social dimension, which has only very timidly emerged recently.”
     
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  17. Star of David Bardsley

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    What was this one?

    Oh it’s back.
     
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  18. ELLERS

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    It didn’t seem to work. It happened to me yesterday as well.
    With all this EU news I haven’t been able to discuss little miss Kranky who is in trouble... I will get to her
     
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  19. Star of David Bardsley

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    You should be cheering for her. Scottish independence locks us in to Tory majorities no matter how terribly they perform for the rest of our lives. Prime Minister Bradley’s reign from 2050-2051 is the one I’m most looking forward to.
     
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  20. Goldhawk-Road

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    The EU is led by Ursula Von Der Leyen. She was an unpopular and highly ineffective Defence minister in Germany. Now she's making a pig's ear of her role as head of the EU Commission.

    But can disgruntled citizens of Europe vote her out? Of course not. She wasn't voted in. She was appointed, effectively by Germany
     
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