Yeah agree with this. I’ve said for a while that Joe’s gonna make mistakes but I can live with that as theoretically he’ll get better with experience. He did play pretty well again yesterday but for that **** up. Dier, Toby and Sanchez on the other hand have been doing those types of mistakes for years now, Dier at DM or CB that is too. It was criminal we handed two new contracts to two of these when we did, both entirely undeserving of them. Frankly though we’re ****ed. There’s so much dross in this squad it’s beyond a joke and the manager just isn’t helping himself either with most of his decisions, you can’t overhaul it all in just one or two windows either so it’s gonna be one long and painful process that’ll likely result in at least one of Kane or Son leaving during that time. Even on paper, last summer seemed promising but now in hindsight it’s not proven that great considering just two of those six players have actually made a positive impact, some not entirely through fault of their own but nonetheless, two good signings from six isn’t a good enough record. I don’t how we’ve managed to become so bad with our recruitment too, even when we think it’s a good signing they’re turning out poor. Stark contrast to what clubs like Pool and Leicester have done in recent years, they’re barely putting a foot wrong when it comes to signings.
We were fine up until the Son disallowed goal, front foot and intensity. Then it was like their arses dropped because of a setback they all **** their pants and went into a shell can't stand the majority of this team...weak as **** mentally under 2 coaches. They've doubled us for the last 3 seasons, the year before that it was a draw and loss. Then the CL final...white flag after 2 minutes. No minerals and a reflection of the club as a whole.
Our squad is actually quite similar to the others in the top half of the PL. Mostly good players who are in the top 1000 in the world but only 2 from the top 50. Since there are around 20 clubs in the world with aspirations and income similar to ours that is about par for the course. If you compare it to Arsenal or Chelsea, I would say it is similar but they don't have anyone from the top 50 so we should finish above them. I don't like Mourinho as our manager as I don’t think he fits the club's ethos. But he isn't doing that badly. Take the substitutions last night. It sounds like he had to replace Aurier and Kane. It made sense to switch to a back four and bolster the midfield. As for replacing Kane, Vinicius is not a like for like replacement....Kane has been playing as a deep lying centre forward for months now. I would have tried Bale, Lamela or Ndombele in that role and left Bergwijn and Son where they were. Putting on a forward like Vinicius when you are chasing the game and being overrun in midfield isn't likely to work as you won't get the ball to him. 20 years ago being in the top 6 and in three cups at the end of January would have been a huge success. It isn't a disaster now.
Cover your eyes, children, it's time for the pass map please log in to view this image What the ungodly **** is that? Even if you take into account the formation change, which skews the averages of some player's positions, there's no disguising that we weren't getting the ball to Son or Bergwijn on the flanks - and that's before taking into account how any breaks were rapidly stopped by our players being cynically scythed down and Twatkinson doing **** all about it
Two out of six signings being good is about par for the course. Clubs who do better than that for a while do well but it isn't repeatable. Liverpool did worse than us about ten years running despite spending more
I’d partly agree if Jose wasn’t still persisting with that very same dross. Came in and instantly gave Toby and Dier new deals - big fat ****ing LOL. Dier especially seems to be on some weird pedestal, it’s as if Jose’s looking at him with rose tinted specs and seeing a prime Terry/ Lucio/ Ramos. When we’re all seeing a prime Titus Bramble. Bringing Winks and Lamela on when you’re chasing a game having had to take off your striker? I’d honestly love to know the thought process behind that. Those two didn’t make us stronger either offensively or defensively. Was also made worse at the fact Liverpool had a CM playing at CB last night yet we still opted for the cautious approach which is doing us zero favours of late. He’s also underutilising some of the very players he’s brought in. Let’s not forget he’s overseen 8 new signings, that’s a lot of incomings and essentially enough to start putting your own mark on a team/ squad. His tactics and selections in particular games has also reeked of a lack of ambition and a lot of results of late have gone hand in hand with it. I don’t feel like I can trust him to turn it around anymore to be honest. I’m not seeing anything with his decisions or tactics that makes me believe he’s trying to turn a corner with the team.
I think he's gone backwards. Was very dangerous at first. Seems to have lost his first touch since all the injuries, he's like a wall sometimes. Brings aggression but nothing else now.
Aggression was needed last night Mainly because one of our players lamping Martin Twatkinson is long overdue
Look at Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U over the last ten seasons and you will see that it is true. It's clear why....to buy a player you have to pay them more than the selling club are paying them AND pay a transfer fee. The selling club see them every day in training and the buying club can judge only on a few matches. It would be ridiculous to expect to come out better half the time. What you need to hope is that some of the successes turns out to be world class. I think Lloris, Son, Eriksen and Dembele have been in that category for us. Which is why we improved so much a few years back.
Two out of six, in fact, two out of the last eight signings being successes is not expectations being met or par for the course. Our recruitment has been dire and it's why we we've regressed since 2017. In a similar time frame, Liverpool have gone on to become one of the best in Europe whilst Leicester are more or less on the verge of making the top six now a top seven. Everton, Villa, West Ham and Southampton are also creating somewhat of a chasing pack through impressive signings in the last 12-24 months.
Nor will the next man...he will still be re gurgitating the same dross. Yes the football might be prettier on the eye but I’m sure we are not up for settling for pretty football and nothing else...we’ve had that and we didn’t become a winning club with it. Until we get rid of Poch’s babies barring Kane/Son we aren’t winning the big ones. Yeh I know he gave them defenders new contracts...like I’ve said before maybe that’s because he probably didn’t think he could get any better with the returns. At the end of the day so what if Jose thought he could get a tune out of this lot? That’s not a stick to beat him with, if anything he’s just proven that they indeed are beyond coaching the weak mentality out of, they just don’t have it in them to get rid of their own mental downfalls. I’ve seen most tactics tried with this squad now...they still always fail at the same turning points in our season always against the same teams. they’ve beaten us 7 times in a row now or 8 times out of last 9 with a draw being the other. All them games haven’t been Jose tactics. Poch’s babies are weak and we don’t have enough class to hide that fact. The new players bar Bale are fine...you can see it but they are surrounded by Dier brain farts and lots of sulking when it’s going tits up. we’ve established from the majority of fans that Jose isn’t the right man but I’m not up for ignoring the fact that there is a core of players who just don’t have the magic in them to become winners and they have shown that under 2 top coaches. At the end of every match it’s easy when it goes wrong to replace his subs with our own choices to say they would have done better because we will never see it but we are still discussing the same bulk of players so for me I’m beyond giving a **** about that...it’s the same cack swapping around every week anyway. Plus I also struggle to overlook individual errors like they are not the reasons for losing...they are 90% of the reason for losing a game of football. Then you evaluate the personnel making these errors and we are back to square 1 of my issue.
This ignores the fact that we have the buying power to cherry pick our signings. It's not an equal transaction, especially now Bosman transfers take the bargaining power away from the selling club in many cases. So I'm not sure that the selling club always have the power your post suggests.
Doherty is a dogshit signing though he’s got that rabbit in headlights look on his face every single time. Reminds me of Sessegnon who also looked and played like this move is too big for him but his loan will help him. Doherty needs to man up the Goon ****
Overseeing their new contracts though means that he lessened his bargaining when asking for a new player. Because if I were the board and I see he's wanted/ agreed to them signing bumper new deals, I'll then raise eyebrows 12 months down the line when he starts saying he needs a new CB. The fact Jose is persisting with those very players who are making mistakes each week whilst others aren't getting enough chances is why fans are saying he's not up too it. I said towards the end of Poch's tenure that he was essentially doing the definition of insanity by doing the same **** each week and expecting better results, Jose has pretty much been doing the same. There may be a switch in formation but it's generally the same personnel that let us down game after game. Fans would probably be more forgiving if there seemed to be a genuine intent to cast these useless pricks out the team but he's not doing that. He's persisting with the majority, whilst underutilising others, and we're seeing the same mistakes and poor performances because of it. It's then also compounded by his style of football. Everyone knows Jose's football has been about substance over style and as I've said a good few times, I was someone happy to sacrifice style for substance but when there's no style and no substance then no one is gonna be happy. What we're watching is truly awful, we're overloading with **** defensive players despite the fact our strength in the squad lies with our more attacking players. So why not utilise them more? To me things just aren't making sense. I'm not seeing Spurs turning a corner any time soon and for me when it gets to that stage, just as it did with Poch, someone has to go and unfortunately you can't sack 15+ players, as much as I wish we could.
but it does show that an overhaul is needed and as much as we can’t get rid of 10 players and getting rid of the manager is the easiest option, doesn’t make it the right option. so as long as we know it’s the only practical choice not the right choice therefore the same weak minds will stagnate the next manager. Whoever the manager needs windows to change the squad. Jose is our first manager after Poch...I guess it’ll take about 3 more managers before collectively they change the squad and replace Poch’s weak links since we aren’t shopping every window.
We were up for it till the disallowed goal...we had some bite in us, I was watching the game too. No way did the manager say feel sorry for yourselves and go into a shell because that’s what happened. That kind of tactic doesn’t come from a manager who is used to winning tournaments and league campaigns...wether you like his football or not.
