Without going on about it...any one knows Dier is not a CB. Not good enough if you want top 4. Toby and Sanchez...they are our actual CBs. The latter has been getting worse and worse. That’s where you expect the manager to work with the guy and get him back to his best. He wasn’t that bad to begin with in his first two seasons - being marginalised, dropped etc - lose all confidence. Rodon will be good but needs time and easing in. Just poor management of players. Today’s defence...it really doesn’t take genius to think Doherty isn’t going to work on the left. Why would you do it. Why play such a combination of defenders...it’s really basic stuff which the majority of fans just feel is off as soon as you see it. Ridiculous. Poor Bergwijn running around and not doing what he has done previously in his career...again management issue. He has to suck it up. He’s not going to score loads of goals like he is probably capable of as the style doesn’t allow it. The marginalisation of Alli. He’s been poor but again...a good manager would work with him, He has undoubtedly quality...you don’t lose it. You need someone to bring back your confidence, form and the talent will be there. Jose has done the opposite, dropping him, subbing him when he does get a chance. Calling him out. Treating him like a dick. If we all think he is going to go somewhere like PSG then why the hell would we do that. If he was going to end up at West Ham then fine. Someone who has proven it and we mess around with others until we stumble across someone of the same calibre if we’re lucky - whilst the one we let go start winning things at a bigger club. It’s **** management...it was going the same way with N’Dombele until he fought back and got the Jose spotlight removed from him. Could you imagine the other top managers treating key players like this. No, unless they have proven big names to replace. We don’t just spend £50,60,70m on replacements. The guy is toxic and has always been. Seen it every club, calling out players, falling out with the board, blaming refs, conditions, fixtures, fans, what other managers get away with Etc. He hasn’t done it to the same degree here..as he will not got another big club to manage. It is just ducking and diving, blame game, chatting **** to the media to deflect everything away from himself personally. Seeing it with Vinicius...multiple times he could have been played...it’s just so obvious but no. It’s the Jose way, which means defend, defend...run the favourites into the ground. Don’t make the obvious changes when needed. Since that spell where we were told it was a Jose masterclass against City and Arsenal (in truth we just have two world class players in Son/Kane who did the business) and the outlier against Man U...I can’t recall a game where we have played well, dominated, looked stable, created lots of chances, had a settled, balanced team, made obvious subs when required etc. It’s been a **** show. Jose is past it, doesn’t know his best XI at all. Bale isn’t going to do anything, not the same player. Jose ****s around between Lamela, Moura, Sissoko Winks, as well as the defence etc. And you just know the toxicity and **** mood is just there all the time. The whole narrative, well I would want player A and spend £££££’s but at this club I can only go for ££££ player - so it’s not my fault. Kane and Son will move on...more money and some trophies to be had elsewhere. We’re not competing. It’s rotten to the core and it won’t change. This is a failed appointment. But with the lack of fans to voice their disapproval, the fact Jose will want to stick around as long as possible, we will regress - will lose a season or three to **** football, losing our best players and winning **** all. It sounds pessimistic but unfortunately it is what will happen.
Tonight would cist a MINIMUM of £60-£65 per ticket plus a £2 booking fee per ticket. We had 3 attempts against a team bereft of confidence and with no central defenders. There'd have been booing galore mate. Most times we play we are are simply unwatchable because it is so boring. Winning the league Cup did not get the fans to like the tedious football of George Graham or the tactical stupidity of Ramos...if we win it this year (can't keep a straight face even typing that tbh) it will not change the fact that we are abysmal to watch. 3 attempts on goal ffs. I put a breakdown further up of our attempts on goal in our last dozen or so games...it's a joke tbh
I think Jose is letting pride get in the way of his judgement. It made sense to sign him because it moves Spurs up a level in the minds of the football world and he has the potential to attract players who otherwise wouldn't come here. BUT tonight's display was about as drab as it gets, we looked clueless for much of the game Outclassed in fact by a team fresh from defeats by Burnley and Southampton and a draw with Newcastle. That's pretty shocking. Maybe results will improve and we will see Spurs as a top 4 team again but right now I would be happy to see the world's greatest manager give another team a chance to receive his magic touch.
Well said. And this is the rub of it. If the vast majority of 'armchair' fans can spot the problems from a mile away, why can't the manager? There seems to be no signs of evolution or progress, nothing you can point a finger at and say 'ah, that's what we're aiming for; give it time and it will come'. The players look clueless, our tactics are so predictable and so easy to play against. Other clubs and managers who have been pilloried have succeeded in this. Even someone like Arteta, who presided over Arsenal's worst start in 40 years, you can plot a trajectory of what he is trying to do: - Freeze out and move on players who aren't good enough or aren't part of his plans. - Vastly improve the back line and general work ethic. - Blood in the youngsters as quickly as possible. All of the above had immediate and obvious drawbacks and challenges in the short-term, but he stuck with it and is now reaping the rewards. They went from a run of 7 games without a win, scoring just 3 goals, to their current run of 6 without defeat, scoring 14. THAT, gentlemen, is what a coherent vision for progress looks like. And I'm going to say it: Credit to Mikel Arteta to sticking to his plan and for trusting the likes of Saka and Smith-Rowe. Their squad is utter ****e on paper. Utter ****e. But it doesn't matter. Because they have a manager who is working steadily towards understanding his players' strengths, and getting them to play to them. Fair play to him. We have a manager who only understands his own strengths. There's the difference.
Again though RCL, I don’t think any of this is enough of a reason for Levy to get rid of Mourinho, especially for the reasons I’ve stated. Everything you’ve said boils down to style of play and isn’t result-driven. And regardless of your personal distaste or the price you’d pay to go to the game, the simple fact is, you’re competing on all fronts as it stands. That, tangibly, is what Levy will be more concerned with above anything else. That’s not to say things will stay like this or that he won’t be under pressure in the future, but right now, fans present or not, Levy wouldn’t contemplate getting rid.
Our squad really isn't all that anymore. Years of neglect and poor recruitment have seen to that. What is now adding to that is Jose's abysmal squad management and in-game management. I thought Poch was poor in this regard but bloody hell. Outside of Kane, Son, Tanguy, Reguilon and Hojbjerg there really isn't all that much to write home about. The rest of them would honestly be at home playing for a Brighton or Palace. Not so long ago our entire starting XI man for man were among the best players in the world in their positions. The current state of them is so far from that it is frightening. Just LOOK at the difference... Lloris Walker Toby Jan Rose Wanyama Dembele Son Eriksen Alli Kane Lloris Aurier Sanchez Dier Reguilon Sissoko Hojbjerg Ndombele Bergwijn Kane Son **** me.
Rumors of a fight at half time between Lloris and Aurier, with Aurier leaving the stadium. Would explain Lloris’ dog **** performance...
And Aurier non-appearance... Let's face it, Doherty, Winks, Dier, Aurier, Lamela are (or should be) barely squad players. Davies is a decent enough utility player but nothing more. Toby has long passed his best and Lucas has his moments, as does Bergwijn, but you wouldn't be relying on them. That's at least 9 - fecking 9!- players who either should be shifted or get time in the LC, EL group stage and a few sub minutes. Kane and Son are a class above anything else. Ndombele has shown glimpses of talent and Reggie looks a decent find. Bale is taking a feckin age to get fit / back to any form and is probably beyond ever getting close to his best. Dele could recover his career as he has the talent - but you can be sure it won't be at a Spurs managed by Mourinho. Which brings me to the heart of the matter.... However good, bad or indifferent the above collection are, this squad has been pitifully managed individually and collectively. The football being played is stagnant, inconsistent and often abject. Players must take some responsibility for sure, but 80% of this shambles is on JM. As Brian said.... He must go! Thank you.
I have tried to bite my tongue this season in general, and after last night it’s easy to have a knee jerk reaction. but I agree with you, and many other saying the same thing. I was firmly in the “I don’t want mourinho” camp when it was rumored he’d become the new manager, so this doesn’t surprise me. I saw it coming, as did countless others who were ostracized by other fans, because we believed he was past it/not suited for us. Many of us were labelled as “weak minded” because Jose is a “serial winner”. It’s quite funny now reading tweets from those same people, as their tune has changed somewhat. no doubt they’ll all be back in the “Jose in” camp, if he manages to with a cup, which will only paper over the cracks. As for some of the players, it’s the same **** week in week out, with many of them past their sell by date. And it’s compounded by the likes of Doherty, Bale and Bergwijn, all signed recently who make that list even worse. We literally have about 5 top players.
Looking back at Kane's ankle injuries, is it any coincidence that they occured against City, Utd and liverpool
The BBC report that Harry Kane injured both ankles in challenges with Jordan Henderson and Thiago Alcantara Interesting interpretation of the sentence "While getting repeatedly fouled by"
Lots of anger here and thats no surprise after that dismal offering last night. But as I look back in the cold light of day in my slightly hungover state,we have to accept that Jose is not going anywhere, unless he walks away and that's not happening. So we need to him and the players to learn lessons from last night. First and foremost we need to bring in a CB before Monday preferably left sided with premier league experience. We are so bad at the moment that I would even consider Phil Jones, he really couldn't be any worse than Dier. But if not we need to play Toby who may be slower and less consistent than he was but of the available options to partner and help Rodon he looks the best bet to me. I know Joe was at fault for the 3rd goal but overall he was one of our better players and sometimes you have to accept that young players will make mistakes and he is also learning and should be perservered with. RB Tanganga to be given a run of games to try and make the position his own, he can't be any worse than Aurier or Doherty, poor old Matt may have passed to a red shirt more often than some of the Liverpool players last night and he looks broken beyond repair to me. Kanes injury is obviously a massive blow, but hardly unexpected - Vinicius must start matches in his absence and be given time. Play a formation that suits the players we have available; that would 4 2 3 1 for me., and whilst I know that some of the players have short comings and need upgrading but we still look a better side, with Sissoko along side Hojbjerg in midfield with Ndombele as a 10 and Son and Bergwijn wide.
This is the bit I don't get You just said a few posts up about our squad is average, I agree That's going to have a detrimental affect on any manager...would Pep have this squad sat in first like his current squad? I've been watching the same squad or bulk of under 2 managers now and they always always **** up at the same pivotal points Next manager won't be doing much, he might satisfy a few more fans because his football style is better but that's not our ****ing goal...I'm not at the theatre watching a play with my young un...I'm not interested in pretty football satisfying me and compensating me for the lack of ultimate success like some Spurs fans are. Doesn't work...said it for years now...the core of this squad lacks the minerals. As much as we love Kane/Son...they both gloriously fail to take these games by the scruff of the neck also...a trait of a world class player. We got a squad full of damaged goods and most them goods are Poch's...just admit it.
I know Jose has a reputation for poor sportsmanship but it was a nice touch last night when on realising we had no CB's he decided it was only fair to not bother having a CF . I haven't seen much of Vinnicus (sp) but he looks a bit of a unit so assumed he would come on since we had practically zero aerial strength in the team .
I've long said that Levy should step back from football matters. Mourinho's easier to get rid of...and that's what needs to happen before the prick does even more damage.
Seeing reports that Lloris and Aurier had a massive bust-up at HT, which led to Aurier being told to go home. Originally saw this rumour from Twitter, but Telegraph are reporting it this morning as well. Aurier apparently screamed at Dier and Lloris for the goal saying "One of you should have ****ing shouted for it". Lloris and Aurier started shoving and grabbing each other, eventually being broken up with the latter being told to leave.
