1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

The non-Watford football thread

Discussion in 'Watford' started by North North Watford, May 1, 2012.

  1. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    20,526
    Likes Received:
    7,167
    Sounds like unsurprisingly Lampard is going to get sacked .
     
    #7081
  2. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    35,296
    Likes Received:
    14,017
    Because they only beat Luton 3-1? <laugh>
     
    #7082
    Markthehorn likes this.
  3. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    41,787
    Likes Received:
    14,261
    Chelsea confirm head coach Frank Lampard has been sacked
     
    #7083
  4. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    20,526
    Likes Received:
    7,167
    Yes - sounds like he was head man walking for a while.

    He did well last season but paid for big money signings not really performing.
     
    #7084
  5. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    41,787
    Likes Received:
    14,261
    How long ago was it that OGS was being told he was facing the sack?
     
    #7085
    Markthehorn likes this.
  6. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    14,952
    Likes Received:
    4,851
    United are a tradition club that don't go in for knee jerk reactions when it comes to giving managers time - otherwise Sir Alex would have gone early as well. In contrast Chelski have done nothing other than I would expect them to do <laugh>
     
    #7086
    Markthehorn likes this.
  7. duggie2000

    duggie2000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,214
    Likes Received:
    18,664
    He stopped doing well when he replaced promising youngsters with overpaid foreign stars who let him down
    All clubs need to make use of their own youth products rather than poaching others (Man City) or only buying established expensive players (most of the Prem)
    That includes us as well with the Youth products
     
    #7087
  8. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    14,952
    Likes Received:
    4,851
    The only problem with relying upon producing your own talent is that you need some insurance that those players are going to stay with you so that you get the benefit from it. My 'other' club is Ajax and there they groom young players by the dozen, but agents bend their ears when they are 18-19 and they start dreaming about a big move somewhere else (not because they don't value Ajax, but because they don't see their future in the Eredivisie). At one time they stayed - became established internationals, and then changed clubs at 24-25, now they are going too early. 'Producing' clubs always have this problem - the potential stars are there, but then the vultures arrive and take them off at 18, before you can really get a good price for them. The consequence of being such a club is that you can be sure that every year 3-4 of your best young players will be leaving - it's not really good for their development. Unfortunately the entire Premier League is at fault here - they live from creaming off Europe's talent. At the last World Cup not one of Belgium's squad actually played their club football there - clubs like Anderlecht or Standard Liege cannot hold onto their talent if Man City come sniffing around. If you have put lots of resources into nurturing young talent then you need the ability to write it into contracts that those players commit to 3-4 years of first team football before even thinking about a move.
     
    #7088
  9. duggie2000

    duggie2000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,214
    Likes Received:
    18,664

    I know that the world football has changed, 10 years ago we were giving lots of youngsters their chances at football, some made it, some moved on to bigger clubs and even now I see names I remember playing at clubs below the Championship
    GT gave us our best years as a club, BUT he could not have achieved that without all the youngsters coming through our youth system
    Thos days are so far away now and not just in years
     
    #7089
    Markthehorn likes this.
  10. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    14,952
    Likes Received:
    4,851
    I would love to go back to those days Duggie. Over 40 years later a player like Luther Blissett would have an agent whispering in his ear promises of, Man City, Barcelona, big cars etc. and he would be gone at 18 or 19 - as opposed to the years of service we got out of him !
     
    #7090
    duggie2000 likes this.

  11. NZHorn

    NZHorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    Messages:
    5,313
    Likes Received:
    1,658
    Not sure this is correct, Cologne. When Luther started he frustrated GT with his lack of consistency. After his two goals at Old Trafford GT said that he now had to show that he could play well each week. The same was true of Ross Jenkins. When he started he was awful. What we need is a youth team coach who can really bring players on, in the way GT could.
     
    #7091
    duggie2000 likes this.
  12. duggie2000

    duggie2000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,214
    Likes Received:
    18,664
    Gooooooooooo Wycombe
     
    #7092
  13. duggie2000

    duggie2000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,214
    Likes Received:
    18,664
    And Tom Whally to start them off
     
    #7093
  14. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2011
    Messages:
    14,952
    Likes Received:
    4,851
    I was only using Luther as an example NZ, maybe it wasn't a very good one. The point i was trying to make was that players who came up from the youth would then establish themselves as first team players for a few years, and then maybe move on at a later stage. In other words the mother club would reap some reward - both in terms of football and finances. Today they so often leave the mother club at 18 or 19, which is no benefit for either them or for the club - it just allows them to buy a big car and sit on the bench at Man City or Chelsea. Even if the mother club does get a handsome financial reward eg. the 75 million Ajax got for both De Jong and De Ligt this money cannot be used in the same way as Man City would use that money ie. replacing one 75 million player with another of the same quality - because players of that value don't want to ply their trade in the Eredivisie. So from the Ajax point of view it doesn't make much difference whether they get 75 or 50 million, because the money does not have the same market value in their case. In the past they would have stayed at the club until maybe 25 or 26 and the club would have got full value for their investment. Having the best youth scheme in Europe worked a lot better in the past, now it just turns you into a feeder club - sad to say but true.
     
    #7094
  15. Bolton's Boots

    Bolton's Boots Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    35,296
    Likes Received:
    14,017
    Good grief - ManUre 1 Sheff U 2...
     
    #7095
  16. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    20,526
    Likes Received:
    7,167
    Yes - coupon buster.

    All the refs and VAR’s fault apparently!

    Well they disallowed a Man U goal.

    How awful.
     
    #7096
    duggie2000 likes this.
  17. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    20,526
    Likes Received:
    7,167
    Silverware is coming to the Vic!



    Not for us though.
     
    #7097
  18. duggie2000

    duggie2000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2014
    Messages:
    13,214
    Likes Received:
    18,664
    Shows how good our pitch is these days and our stadium
     
    #7098
    Markthehorn likes this.
  19. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    20,526
    Likes Received:
    7,167
    #7099
  20. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    41,787
    Likes Received:
    14,261
    #7100
    Markthehorn likes this.

Share This Page