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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Agree I am doing a Watford and going off topic here... I can remember my point being that you shot him down and accused him of something and my argument was that he was a fair journo and has had to put up with a lot of abuse which he mentioned on one of his shows. I believe he also mentions something of it in his book. I don't know how we came from Farage and a knighthood to abuse of Ian Dale but whatever.

impartial? No chance
 
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ocialists-support-neoliberal-undemocratic-eu/

That’s the article I was talking about Wills, and he puts the case far more eloquently than I ever could. Of course we are 4 years down the line since it was written and things might of changed with the EU outlook (I personally would say not), however I feel his arguments are still strong.
He also touches on your argument of ‘better to be an influence of change from the inside’.

I agree that our government are not to be trusted and are self serving, and some might say ‘corrupt’....however I can’t see how that would mean it’s a good idea to stay in another organisation that are quite honestly, just as bad.

I've always thought that the left-wing case for Brexit is logically cohesive, and might well be persuasive to me if I were left of centre. It's probably the only coherent case for Brexit I've heard.

That to one side, and much more importantly, how are you Staines? Hope you're keeping well and things aren't too mad on the front line.
 
I've always thought that the left-wing case for Brexit is logically cohesive, and might well be persuasive to me if I were left of centre. It's probably the only coherent case for Brexit I've heard.

That to one side, and much more importantly, how are you Staines? Hope you're keeping well and things aren't too mad on the front line.

Totally agree mate.....I might be looking at the whole thing very simplistically but it makes complete sense to me, from a left wing point of view and bizarre that anyone on the Left (as supposedly many Remainers are) can honestly say that the EU is a good thing.....

Thanks for asking, I’m fine....3 more days of being shut in the bedroom, having meals bought to my bed and having disinfectant sprayed on every surface I touch (I’m not kidding). It’s not been that bad, felt rough for a few days and still do when I wake up....HR still low but hoping that will come back to normal after I get out running again next week...slowly at first.
On the work front the good news is our REAP level has gone down, therefore showing the calls have gone down to a more manageable level. Many of us, in my station at least, have now had the first dose of vaccine so hopefully sickness will improve, and we are still getting assistance from colleagues in the MetPol/LFB to make up numbers. Hopefully this will continue to improve and we’re reaching normality once again......weird how you long to go to a ‘normal’ job like chest pain or an assault, rather than the continuous DIB/COVID cases that we’ve been getting.
 
Totally agree mate.....I might be looking at the whole thing very simplistically but it makes complete sense to me, from a left wing point of view and bizarre that anyone on the Left (as supposedly many Remainers are) can honestly say that the EU is a good thing.....

Thanks for asking, I’m fine....3 more days of being shut in the bedroom, having meals bought to my bed and having disinfectant sprayed on every surface I touch (I’m not kidding). It’s not been that bad, felt rough for a few days and still do when I wake up....HR still low but hoping that will come back to normal after I get out running again next week...slowly at first.
On the work front the good news is our REAP level has gone down, therefore showing the calls have gone down to a more manageable level. Many of us, in my station at least, have now had the first dose of vaccine so hopefully sickness will improve, and we are still getting assistance from colleagues in the MetPol/LFB to make up numbers. Hopefully this will continue to improve and we’re reaching normality once again......weird how you long to go to a ‘normal’ job like chest pain or an assault, rather than the continuous DIB/COVID cases that we’ve been getting.

Sounds full on but I'm glad you're past the worst of the illness and the calls are going down. Hope you've been well enough to enjoy s good book or a few TV series in your isolation!! Be kind to yourself when it comes to getting back to running.
 
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Sounds full on but I'm glad you're past the worst of the illness and the calls are going down. Hope you've been well enough to enjoy s good book or a few TV series in your isolation!! Be kind to yourself when it comes to getting back to running.

Just on the final season of Breaking Bad (why did I wait so long) then gonna read my new book by Paul Embery- “Despised, Why the modern Left loathes the working class”

It’s all fun in my household.
 
What's the badger supposed to mean? I suspect it's derogatory because someone who was subsequently banned on here used to use it a lot in response to my posts.
Take it easy
Not meant to mean anything
The smilies are quite small on my phone and the badgers next to a happy face
Just couldn't be bothered changing it really
What is the double meaning behind the badger
Why is it a choice on here anyway
 
Take it easy
Not meant to mean anything
The smilies are quite small on my phone and the badgers next to a happy face
Just couldn't be bothered changing it really
What is the double meaning behind the badger
Why is it a choice on here anyway

I wasn't offended by it, just curious.
 
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Europe Will Regret Stealing London’s Finance Business
Negotiators should seek to keep trade as free as possible.

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January 21, 2021, 3:30 AM EST
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In quitting the European Union, the U.K. has handed its former partners a golden opportunity: Seize some of the lucrative financial services business that London has long dominated.

It’s a temptation that European officials would do well to resist.

The last-minute Brexit deal struck in December left many important issues unaddressed, including what will replace the unfettered access to EU markets that U.K. financial firms once enjoyed. The two sides now aim to reach some kind of agreement by March. In the meantime, U.K.-based firms can’t provide a number of services to EU customers, including credit ratings and trading in stocks and derivatives. Trading in shares of EU-based companies has already shifted almost entirely to continental venues such as Paris and Amsterdam.

It’s easy to see the U.K.’s loss as fair comeuppance: You wanted out, so bear the consequences. This week, the European Commission effectively said as much, unveiling a blueprint to boost the international role of the euro, reduce reliance on unreliable outsiders and move more financial business within its regulatory purview. Problem is, the balkanization of financial services will likely leave everyone worse off, at least in the near term.

There’s a reason London developed into a global hub: Concentrating activity in one place has a lot of advantages. Trading is cheaper and more efficient. Companies can more easily achieve economies of scale, and have access to deeper pools of talent. Forcing a shift to the continent will gain the EU some jobs, but also harm customers and investors who profit from London’s agglomeration effects. Not to mention that the EU, with its thinly capitalized banks and incomplete financial union, is quite unprepared to step up.

No doubt, with time, the EU will develop comparative advantage in certain areas, especially if it succeeds in forging a deeper political and economic union. But the future winners and losers should be decided by competition, not by needless barriers to trade.

The solution isn’t difficult. The EU and the U.K. should grant each other’s firms full access as long as their regulatory regimes remain roughly equivalent. The two sides have already reached temporary equivalence deals in a couple areas — most notably the clearing and settlement of derivatives trades, where a Brexit-driven shift from the dominant U.K. to the continent could have threatened financial stability. Such agreements should be made permanent, broadened to as many services as possible, and strengthened to ensure the EU won’t revoke access suddenly and unilaterally. In return, the U.K. should offer assurances that it won’t unduly loosen regulations in a bid to attract business.

The goal, in short, should be to keep trade as free as it was when the U.K. was still in the EU. That’s why it would have been better for all concerned if Britain hadn’t left in the first place — but now that it has, there’s no call to compound the damage.



To contact the senior editor responsible for Bloomberg Opinion’s editorials: David Shipley at [email protected] .
 
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