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  1. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Dalglish signed 4 as I mentioned earlier and having Manninger in your list is taking the piss.
     
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  2. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Stop hanging around in the GC then you girl!
     
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  3. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Far from. He was vital in their title winning season.
     
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  4. terrifictraore

    terrifictraore Well-Known Member

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    Why cos he made a couple of good saves against you lot?

    Bit like saying that my mate djimi was vital to our CL win cos he made the odd good tackle.
     
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  5. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    No because he came in for seaman and was brilliant. A big part of Arsenal overhauling our lead. Club record 6 clean sheets in a row.
     
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  6. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    The 6 clean sheets were more to do with George Grahams defensive legacy than Wengers ****e signing.
     
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  7. terrifictraore

    terrifictraore Well-Known Member

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    So a purple patch of 6 clean sheets in a team that was good enough to win the title? makes him a brilliant player.

    wasn't the reason arsenal overhauled your lead because you lot blew it?
     
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  8. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    Who did then? Come on, enlighten me.


    Now, as a season ticket holder during that era I KNOW that Ferguson came in and changed the club from top to bottom but as you obviously are in on something I don't know then I want to know what it was.

    Info please, instead of dreamt up bluster dug from your moth ridden head.
     
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  9. KingEric07.

    KingEric07. cape wearing twat

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    Dave,

    What makes you think it was an act of desperation ? I've heard you say that a few times on this forum not and can't see where you are coming from with that at all.
     
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  10. Swarbs

    Swarbs Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You want facts, Dave?

    It is a fact that SAF himself turned up at Ryan Giggs' house on his 14th birthday, spoke to his parents and Giggsy himself, and convinced him to join United over City

    It is a fact that SAF spoke to David Beckham's parents at length to reassure them about allowing Beckham to join Utd despite the fact Becks lived in London at the time

    It is a fact that SAF personally appointed the scout that spotted Paul Scholes (Mike Coffey was the scout)

    It is a fact that since SAF took over at Utd, our youth academy has produced the second highest number of top flight players after West Ham (and possibly even the most - I don't know the exact West Ham figures). There are at least 40 Man Utd academy graduates from the last 25 years to have played prolonged top flight football, either for Utd or for another club.

    It is a fact that one of SAF's first actions at United was to revamp the club's youth academy, bringing in new scouts and a new approach to finding and training talent, much like he did at Aberdeen.

    It is a fact that every youth player we brought through in the 1995-96 system was voluntarily promoted by Ferguson to replace an established first team player who had contributed to the double winning side of 1994 (Hughes, Kanchelskis, Sharpe, Ince and Parker).

    How is that not a strategic plan to replace old and complacent players with talented and hungry youngsters, many of whom SAF played a huge role in convincing to come to the club?
     
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  11. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    NO
     
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  12. Ze

    Ze Well-Known Member

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    Evidence and Source for each point.
     
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  13. StJohn_Red_Legend

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    How did a thread on accurate, but highly misleading and inappropriate statistics turn into a polemic on the relative merits of King Kenny and SirExLax?
     
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  14. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    Google it, its all there
     
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  15. Ze

    Ze Well-Known Member

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    Why should I google it? I'm not the one trying to put an argument across. It's a bit useless presenting "facts" and not having any reputable source to back them up.
     
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  16. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    It will take you seconds to find them out.
     
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  17. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Because it always does <doh>
     
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  18. redconn

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    there is always a large slice of luck involved in a kid coming good. Having a large pile of them all at once takes a massive slice of luck.

    We had Fowler, Owen and Gerrard all in quick succession. Was it down to brilliant management, scouting, etc.?
    No, players that good are born not made. Even if they were scouted it is still massively lucky.

    Same thing with the United class of the 90s.
     
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  19. StJohn_Red_Legend

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    SirExLax took over fallen giants Manchester in 1986 when they were second bottom of the First Division (when the First Division was the first division) getting them to a safe 11th. After the following season's 2nd, he took them back to 11th. In the 89-90 season he was reputedly on the verge of the sack, saved only by an FA cup, which bought him the time needed, and the first European adventure of the CWC and Super Cups, which arguably added to his allowance of time. League success didn't happen until 1992-93.

    Kenny took over Second Division strugglers Blackburn (finished 19th in 1990-91). He rebuilt the team, spending £18.5million over three seasons, guiding them to promotion in the first season, and a Premier League 4th in his second season. His second season (92-93) saw the acquisition of Alan Shearer for £3.25 million, an English Club record until the purchase of Roy Keane by Manchester the very same season for £3.75million. 93-94 saw more big money acquisitions:- Chris Sutton (£5mil) David Batty (£2.75mil) Paul Warhurst (£2.7mil) and Tim Flowers(£2.4mil), but Manchester weren't quiet either (Andy Cole - £7mil; David May - £1.25mil). So it wasn't like Kenny massively outspent Manchester over the period Blackburn were in the Premier league/top filght.

    So we have two managers who built up the clubs from low starts and both got success. The divergence occurs when Kenny moved away from the day-to-day management of the players to a 'Director of Football' position. It is impossible to determine what success would have been had he not made that move.

    Criticism of Kenny over Newcastle is pretty much unfair - no manager goes there and gets a fair shake, thanks to an unrealistic, impatient board (Freddie Shepherd, latterly Mike Ashley) - and he was there for 20 months in total, coming in as he did in January 1997 and leaving in August 1998, in a kneejerk reaction to two draws (not even defeats, note!). As I recall, Kevin Keegan's Newcastle were notable for having the likes of Phillippe Albert, David Ginola, and Faustino 'track back? Like ****!' Asprilla in the team. Fabulous going forward, but desperate defending...

    As for Celtic, again, its impossible to make a judgement on the ability of a manager based on 18 games.
     
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  20. HRH Custard VC

    HRH Custard VC National Car Park Attendant

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    Is StJohn_Red_Legend, KPR/EMF?
     
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