Brentford Saturday

A double standard would be you thinking Mr Holden should be judged in equal manner to Mr Johnsons time in charge. Dean Holden has had 90% less time to create solutions to the challenges he faces.

I will be surprised if Mr Holden is given the same financial resources as Lee Johnson. Covid will affect revenue. This will affect the clubs ability to comply with FFP. Operating costs will have to be recovered by? Squad salary efficiencies.

 

Had it easy? ................with the haters at the ready before he even started, forced to sell his best players...making club record player profits.............and still managing club record status for 40 years in the 2nd tier of English football.
What he did do, is turn old fashioned Bristol City renowned for yoyoing with lower league dross into a competitive club playing the big boys in the championship.. unheard of for 40 years apart from a short spell lead by his old man, whom was the closest we've come to hitting the big time

Acknowledged by the sensible ones on here!!

 

Had 4 years head start being in the club..... should be judged by the progression he makes from his predecessor.....the reason he was appointed in the first place!!

 

How do you judge somebody who has had 90% less time as Manager? Do you feel he should not be afforded the same judge me on three transfer windows his predecessor asked for?

 

If Deano didn't have a say in proceedings whilst being LJ's assistant, not sure he should have been appointed head coach in the first place.....one presumes that he did,,,, The appointment was surely made for us to progress from where LJ left us.
For me, it wouldn't be set in stone how many transfer windows he should be allowed, but where each one takes us......
Stability has been key over the last 4 years, anything less IMO is unacceptable....

 

Let’s take a step back for a second....
These are unprecedented times with Covid. The transfer market this year can’t be compared (favourably or unfavourably) against the 4 years that LJ oversaw - or previous managers before him. NO clubs in the Championship spent a lot of money on players compared to previous seasons, so to argue that DH hasn’t had the backing that LJ had is premature.
Playing with no fans is also a new thing - many managers, not just LJ, made reference to the 12th man (meaning the crowd). Again, this isn’t unique to BS3, but it’s a first for ALL clubs. It’s very difficult to directly compare DHs ‘progress’ to-date with LJs ‘progress’ or ‘failure’ over the previous years. The challenges DH has faced are different.
I didn’t want LJ back in 2016 but I supported him until I felt he had lost his way and run out of ideas.
With me it’s the same for DH - he wasn’t my choice and I personally still feel that the board have made a mistake - however, he is our manager and I will support him (DH) until such time as his decisions and selections suggest he has lost the plot.
Right now, we have a dire injury situation which restricts his selection options. I see that O’Dowda is now out for a while just as he was starting to improve. As a fan, I can’t see that any other manager would be able to do much better than DH under the circumstances with the restricted squad he has.
Once we have had the January window - and some of our crocks return - and DH is able to shape his own squad, rather than have selections forced on him - at that point I’ll be able to judge him more accurately.
In the meantime, although the football isn’t great, we are in a surprisingly strong league position right now - which may just save us from the drop if we fail to use the January window to improve our squad.
COYR.

 

You didn't answer either question.

For me, it wouldn't be set in stone how many transfer windows he should be allowed, but where each one takes us .. Bristol City entered the January 2018 transfer window in second and it took City out of the play off places ending in eleventh.

 

I answered the question previously if you bothered to read. He already had a head start of 4 years as an assist.. It's more than the majority of coach appointments.
It's in my opinion....you don't have to agree.........
Maybe you will be happy if he gets a like for like opportunity as you suggest, even if it sends us down into league one..

 

R&W
Can't disagree with your latest post, even 1For agrees.
Then at 2 this morning in 1For's last paragraph to Clifton he's off on one all over again.
In fairness the mind can sometimes do strange things during the night.

 

I obviously read your response. I would not give Mr Holden a like for like opportunity e.g. four years. Lee Johnson was given far too much time to fail to implement the basis of his own stated aims.

The questions were - How do you judge somebody who has had 90% less time as Manager? How do you judge somebody who has had so short a period of time?

Do you feel he should not be afforded the same judge me on three transfer windows his predecessor asked for? You continually use points as the only measure of progress, Mr Johnson went backwards after transfer window. Mr Johnsons team acquired less points after a transfer window, and the objective of promotion could not be fulfilled when the basic requirement of finishing sixth to have any chance was not achieved.

 

Just picked this up from Daily Mail yesterday’s paper.

Seems as if Luton showed tested positive for COVID-so City had to follow guidelines and isolate or be tested.Hence called the plug on the Brentford game.

 

MA has stated regularly to the fans he and the club like to keep transfer dealings under wraps until they are done, this avoids other clubs getting an interest and pushing up the price .. most of the work done approaching a window has [ he has said] been done. they know their targets, have done some cursory inquiries and keep calm …………….

one would suspect that 10 days isolation after contact with a positive person would be the norm? football tests [results?] seem to be the day before the game. I suspect the normal covid strain would take 3 -4 days to appear? new one maybe acts quicker? .. it was just on or about 4th day [day of game] called off!

 

No **** Sherlock, I said this on Friday on page 2

 

Maybe 9am you had strange thoughts as quite a few of the comments made by R&W, you haven't agreed with at all.
Me liking, I appreciate the balance R&W shows towards his comments, I don't necessarily agree with all...
Most of your comments are aimed at the pure hatred you have for LJ, even when the article might be about Deano........you can't help yourself....there's always a dig, It's always intentional, just to stir the pot...... It's how you rock n roll!!

 

SL would not have given LJ the transfer windows or 4 years if he felt it would jeopardise the club.....He had confidence in his ability to maintain our championship status. ....
Deano was only appointed initially for 12 months. So you could ask the same questions to SL...............
I can see it and so can SL.......maybe you have a struggle seeing it!!

 

I do try to be balanced in my posts most of the time. I think The LJ era wasn’t too bad - quite good in fact based on league position, not necessarily later performances. I don’t think we can judge DH yet (either positively or negatively) because the conditions he is dealing with are so different.

Sometimes though I do admit that I try and stir things if I think a thread is fizzling out and needs spicing up

 

I wouldn't dream of it!!