Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one
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They’ll have had everybody from Leeds, Hull, etc going there to use their restaurants.
its all a bit unclear, i dont even know if you can re-infect. we are both assuming she caught it first as she is a nurse on a covid ward at HRI and then passed it on to me. yet i started feeling unwell first? id heard a rumour once you'd had it your immune system would keep you clear clear for 3 months?
we all know its not a massive problem to 99% of us or whatever. it just the risk of passing it onto the poor souls who will suffer. i was working in an asthma sufferers house on tuesday and we did keep distances but he never cleaned down the bannisters and door handles etc and i would feel bad if anything happened to him.
Looks like theres being a lot of misdiagnosed recorded covid deaths pushing the numbers up
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Well, good luck with it. I've just heard that my niece, her husband and 3 boys age 6,4 and 2 have all got it, somebody brought it home from nursery school they think. Their house is going to be pandemonium for the next 10 days...
god these days of isolation seem to last forever.
and bear in mind ive now had it a year.....
and bear in mind ive now had it a year.....
As an optimist, I'd read this as the darkest hour is just before dawn....the key bit in my view is "it is now more important than ever for people to follow social distancing guidelines, wear masks where required and to regularly wash their hands."
"The most chilling finding from this piece of research is that the November lockdown in England, hard though it was for many people, would not have stopped the variant form of the virus spreading. The same severe restrictions that saw cases of the previous version of the virus fall by a third, would see a tripling of the new variant. This is why there has been such a sudden tightening of restrictions across the country.
It is unclear whether the current restrictions will be enough to control the spread of the virus. Given the fact that it has taken two lockdowns to stop the earlier version of the virus overwhelming the NHS, many scientists fear that further tightening will be necessary.
Infection levels will begin to drop as enough people are vaccinated. But until then it is now more important than ever for people to follow social distancing guidelines, wear masks where required and to regularly wash their hands."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55507012
"The most chilling finding from this piece of research is that the November lockdown in England, hard though it was for many people, would not have stopped the variant form of the virus spreading. The same severe restrictions that saw cases of the previous version of the virus fall by a third, would see a tripling of the new variant. This is why there has been such a sudden tightening of restrictions across the country.
It is unclear whether the current restrictions will be enough to control the spread of the virus. Given the fact that it has taken two lockdowns to stop the earlier version of the virus overwhelming the NHS, many scientists fear that further tightening will be necessary.
Infection levels will begin to drop as enough people are vaccinated. But until then it is now more important than ever for people to follow social distancing guidelines, wear masks where required and to regularly wash their hands."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55507012
Dropped twenty places. Cases per 100k slowly dropping again. Onto page 6 of 8.
East Riding also dropped 6 more places and nearly onto page 8 of 8.
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East Riding also dropped 6 more places and nearly onto page 8 of 8.
I have no idea of the truth of it, but on the face of it, this doesn't read well.
"Amid a sputtering vaccine rollout and fears of a new and potentially more transmissible variant of the coronavirus, Britain has quietly updated its vaccination playbook to allow for a mix-and-match vaccine regimen. If a second dose of the vaccine a patient originally received isn’t available, or if the manufacturer of the first shot isn’t known, another vaccine may be substituted, health officials said.
The new guidance contradicts guidelines in the United States, where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has noted that the authorized Covid-19 vaccines “are not interchangeable,” and that “the safety and efficacy of a mixed-product series have not been evaluated. Both doses of the series should be completed with the same product.”
Some scientists say Britain is gambling with its new guidance. “There are no data on this idea whatsoever,” said John Moore, a vaccine expert at Cornell University. Officials in Britain “seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/...es-britain.html#click=https://t.co/aGsauBx7Ab
"Amid a sputtering vaccine rollout and fears of a new and potentially more transmissible variant of the coronavirus, Britain has quietly updated its vaccination playbook to allow for a mix-and-match vaccine regimen. If a second dose of the vaccine a patient originally received isn’t available, or if the manufacturer of the first shot isn’t known, another vaccine may be substituted, health officials said.
The new guidance contradicts guidelines in the United States, where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has noted that the authorized Covid-19 vaccines “are not interchangeable,” and that “the safety and efficacy of a mixed-product series have not been evaluated. Both doses of the series should be completed with the same product.”
Some scientists say Britain is gambling with its new guidance. “There are no data on this idea whatsoever,” said John Moore, a vaccine expert at Cornell University. Officials in Britain “seem to have abandoned science completely now and are just trying to guess their way out of a mess.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/...es-britain.html#click=https://t.co/aGsauBx7Ab
It’s a pity the USA doesn’t sort its own mess out. We are quite capable of making our own without their learned input. Not convinced it’s not just another opinion re a source who cannot be divulged. Wicked virus through and through. Too many experts with different views. Who to believe....
And the author in the link I quoted is quite liable to have the interests of one specific vaccine company at heart.
There seems to be a movement away from the published advice towards a practical program used by doctors.
Doctors surgeries have programmed the two jabs in and made appointments for patients to come back in for the second dose. It will be obvious to the practice what vaccine they are giving and I believe that they will use a little more practical sense when they administer the vaccine.
The Oxford jab will be the one for the masses,as it’s cheap and far easier to look after.
I read something else, I think, about this, but the idea is giving people the alternative only when the other isn’t available at their appointment, or (and I think this is more worrying as it should never be the case) when they don’t know which one you had first anyway.
To be honest as long as it’s safe then I suppose it’s better than no second jab, and the advice originally came from Health not Govt which made me assume the risks had been checked.
And important they’re actually going down here too not just in relation to other increases
Well played everyone!
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Bion/Pfizer - Based on the timing of cases accrued in the phase 3 study, most the vaccine failures in the period between doses occurred shortly after vaccination, suggesting that short term protection from dose 1 is very high from day 10 after vaccination (Polack et al, 2020). Using data for those cases observed between day 15 and 21, efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19 was estimated at 89% (95% CI 52-97%).
Ox/AZ - High protection against hospitalisation was seen from 21 days after dose 1 until two weeks after the second dose, suggesting that a single dose will provide high short term protection against severe disease. (Voysey et al, 2020). An exploratory analysis of participants who had received one standard dose of the vaccine suggested that efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19 was 73.00% (95% CI: 48.79-85.76%).
Dosing:
Dosing and schedule Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 The dose of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine is 30µg contained in 0.3ml of the diluted vaccine. After dilution each multidose vial can be used to deliver five or six doses of 0.3ml. The vaccine should be administered in 2 doses, a minimum of 21 days apart. AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine The dose of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is 0.5ml. The vaccine should be administered in 2 doses, a minimum of 28 days apart. Operationally, it is recommended that the second dose of both vaccines should be routinely scheduled between four and 12 weeks after the first dose. This will allow more people to benefit from the protection provided from the first dose during the roll out phase. Longer term protection will then be provided by the second dose. If an interval longer than the recommended interval is left between doses, the second dose should still be given (preferably using the same vaccine as was given for the first dose if possible). The course does not need to be restarted.