Pfizer have no data to show that the initial dose of the vaccine will protect patients beyond 21 days, hence why they state that the second dose should be given 21 days after the first dose. I don’t see any point in millions of people being given a dose of the vaccine and then becoming at further risk of contracting the virus simply because they haven’t received the second dose within the correct timescales. And then what? Recall all of those who had the first dose and repeat the process, starting from zero immunity again? This government keeps on telling us that we the public have to follow the rules, yet they appear to be disregarding the rules of how this vaccine should be administered for it to achieve it’s maximum life saving potential.
Yes i agree with St Badger. The government told not hug your granny now they are happy to only give her half the vaccine! And tell her she be fine.
I thought the health officials backed the 12 week doses? I also heard there was not sufficient supply of stock for Pfizer vaccine globally. That is globally, not in the UK, not cos we aint in the Eu, but globally, but there is a lack of some stuff that is needed for it. Perhaps this is why we are taking the steps we are. Based on consultation with medical people, trying to juggle getting enough people partly immunised. I imagine it is a very difficult decision to make, and one that may work out well, one that may have some consequences, or one that has some of you yapping like little dogs on heat I also thought there may be two sides to stories, but that is unsubstantiated. I wonder if as part of the Brexit negotiations, we should have asked for a crystal ball and a magic wand in exchange for letting these Jonny Foreigners have 33%of the fish we done take from the ocean. Are perhaps the Government are just murdering the elderly population, cos they whine to much, and contribute little And sorry for mentioning Politics on here, maybe I should have started talking about transfers on the Beverage Thread
Me thinks I smell yet another monumental government **** up with the vaccines. Could it be that there are not enough doctors and nurses left to administer the vaccinations? Transport problems? Storage problems? Maybe they didn't quite get round to ordering as many as we were led to believe? I'm sure there will be a completely believable explanation coming some time soon, or not.
The problem with the vaccine is that we have to get it right. There are so many anti-vaxers and crackpots that will seize any opportunity to shout loud on how the vaccine is evil/dangerous/part of a global conspiracy. That is my main worry.
As well as these morons outside Tommy’s, Met Police said they were called to 58 raves and parties across London last night as some members of the public refused to follow laws designed to minimise the spread of coronavirus. A total of 217 people were given fixed penalty notices, and five people reported for possible £10,000 fines. More than 50,000 new cases were reported in each of the last 4 days, and this is why. Sadly the thoughtless idiots who behave like this are unlikely to suffer the consequences of their actions themselves, but when their parents and grandparents join the mounting death toll, which will pass 75,000 tomorrow, perhaps they might understand.
Sadly the thoughtless idiots who behave like this are unlikely to suffer the consequences of their actions themselves, but when their parents and grandparents join the mounting death toll, which will pass 75,000 tomorrow, perhaps they might understand. And these are the ones the government are trying to get vaccinated before they complete the valuable first.
Oh I’m sure it’s going on all over the country, I don’t think London has a monopoly on mindless idiots,
I'm listening to those that have to implement the change. If it was talked about some weeks ago why wasn't it done from the start? It's the logistics of the change that is the problem. Keeping the appointments made for the second jab then going to the new program seems to be the way to go and many practises will defy the instructions with BMA support. Brexit subject of a different debate, happy new year.
Possibly not done at the start as here weren't 50k plus a day getting the virus, and the new strain only ramped up before xmas. Then, I may be wrong, but there are issues with global supply of some vaccines. And I thought it was Chris Wittey etc. Who agreed to implement it, perhaps as offering some sort of immunity to twice as many people is also an alternative strategy to the initial one,based on the above. Now I'm not saying it is ideal,but maybe it is forced on us and other countries to change slightly, who knows. And yeah, I was kidding about brexit, but not sure if it's just you and I, but I dont read you new year wishes as sincere! Maybe they are, and I was brought up the proper way like, so happy new year to you and your loved ones Jabbo.
I saw a snippet on a news bulletin, a few days ago, that said they couldn’t bottle the Oxford vaccine at the same speed that it was being produced, so obviously something that needs to be overcome. Hopefully they will sort this, without too much delay or wastage, although it reminded me of a story from the Echo office, in the 80s. They had new printing machinery fitted, which could be sped up to make up for going to press too late. One fateful day they whacked up the printing speed only to find out too late that the machines for bundling and binding the copies weren’t up to the job, and thousands of Echoes ended up on the floor. Hopefully this won’t happen here, as the vaccine is too precious, but it highlights that sometimes things get missed.
My source is highly placed in an NHS trust, that oversees several GP practices in Southampton. I posted a few days back about how much work was created when the Pfizer vaccine delivery was delayed and they had to get on the phones to contact 100s of patients and rearrange appointments. Even then 50 still arrived for appointments as they weren’t reached by phone. There is every reason to believe that those who received the first dose are already booked to return, so as you suggest the appointments should stay in place.
I have to admit that seeing people go abroad on holiday in these circumstances really annoys me. This year I have generally remained within Hampshire, the only instances I have gone beyond this was to visit the office and a site in Slough where all the work has been external. Socially, the furthest I have been in Avebury and Chedworth Roman villa back in the tail end of the summer. The only places I have been to socially have been the Man City game, about 6 games of squash in an empty Places leisure centre, a handful of non-league football matches and a handful of cricket matches at St. Cross. I have also visited some sites to go birdwatching, all of which are obviously outside and within 15 miles of where I live. Other than playing squash and visiting the office, everywhere is external and where social distancing is not an issue. Most of this Christmas holiday has been spent indoors or around my Mum's house as she is part of my bubble. I really needed a break by the time we had reached December. I would have loved to have had a holiday and the only break I took was 4 days back in August which was largely spent birdwatching. At one point I when to Marwell with my sister's family but we left early as it was raining and loads of people were not paying heed to the social distancing measures. There were issues at work which kept me occupied and the closure of so many venues made going out an impossibility. I expect that most people posting here will have had a similar experience to mine in 2020 and have tried to obey the rules whilst attempting to keep sane at the same time. Not mixing in large numbers and being responsible has governed how I have lived in 2020. I have asthma so need to be careful and have consciously avoided places that will be busy. I do not want to catch Covid and certainly to not want to pass it on either. When I read about how some people have behaved like they have by partying it really annoys me because they are effectively disrespecting not only the health staff fighting against this pandemic but all the likes of you and me who are behaving responsibly. As far as concerning people who have travelled abroad for a holiday, I am staggered that they feel the risk is worthwhile. If you use the simple logic that the risk of exposure is increased by meeting more people, there is no logic to travelling abroad. The chances of catching an infection purely by going to an airport and boarding a flight alone must be exponential. I cannot see the sense in it. Some may think I am being harsh but the mutation of the virus is something that the government should be held culpable for. I think that the restrictions should have prevented foreign holidays and that there should have been less relaxation of these restrictions back in the summer to ensure that infections were not simply managed but reduced to the lowest levels possible. The messages from Boris have been mixed and muddled so that people will feel that they might not necessarily apply to them. They will interpret the rules to their own benefit. By doing insufficient to reduce infections to lower levels since the autumn, the virus has been given the time and the scope to mutate. I keep wondering if Boris had done more earlier, the infections levels in December would be coming off a lower base number. It is also obvious that the fining system has not been implemented as thoroughly as it should. The people outside of St, Thomas hospital demonstrating should be made an example of. All proceeds made by those promoters organising the events we have read about over Christmas and NYE need to be confiscated and the monies ploughed back in to the NHS.
