Any knocking was self inflicted. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved for either of them to have succeeded better than they did. The truth is the football pretty much since the end of our Carabao cup run in 2018 has been absolute dog ****, if you were/are happy with that then fine, that's your opinion, we have not significantly/consistently improved since January 2018 and that added with the standard of football being served up, was more than enough for LJ to be sacked. What happened after is down to the board + Ashton, not fans who could see how poor we had become.
Born in Sunderland and raised in Allestree, Derby, Clough is most notable for his time as a player at Nottingham Forest, where he played over 400 times in league, cup and European matches in two separate spells, mostly under the managership of his father Brian Clough, and scored 131 goals throughout his career making ...
But it's not improved has it? What has been the point? Why did we change, to stagnate? Problem is, there was no plan from the board of the type of coach to take over from LJ.. This is Bristol City, so it's what we come to expect!!
Change was certainly needed But in typical City fashion we promoted from within because it was the cheaper/easier option rather than getting someone in like dare I say Dame Nelly Warnock that might actually do the job that is needed and tell it as it is to the owner, and that, unfortunately, seems to be where it all goes wrong because its a course we never take. And lo and behold, along came 2 world class (?) coaches with Deano taking the hot seat and that's another opportunity gone. I was hopeful of Houghton getting the City job, yet he's hardly set the world alight at Forest. So it will be interesting to see if they spend money in the Transfer Window and if they do, whether or not they improve during the second half of the season.
Ooops Don't look RP.......Nepotism.....................surely not!! But we're all daft Rod......how could you
We did it when GJ left, it was inevitable the same would happen.......Deep down, I wonder if there is a control issue with SL....I read he likes to have an input on some of the players coming in and there has been history. A top coach or one with a big personality wouldn't stand for it!!
I never said it had improved, it was crap for 2 years under LJ and it's still crap, but somehow you are advocating that LJ's version of crap is acceptable or did you see something none of the rest of us did see? You take your anger out on people who have different view to yours, when LJ was sacked there were no crowds in the ground (luckily for him) blame the owners and especially the dysfunctional transfer policy seemingly led by Ashton, as I said before the reason Ashton wields so much power at AG is mainly because of GJ and Cotterill. He's gone get over it and blame the right people for the past 2 years and for the present. We will in all probability jam our way to similar position as the past 2 years, because that is firmly where we deserve to be.
And I seriously think that is the main reason why we don't progress in the manner most of us would like us to. It's his club/sports empire and he'll do things his way, perhaps rather than the best way.
Mr Holden has had months. It took Mr Johnson more than a few months to play this 4-4-1-1/ 4-4-2-0 formation. Fielding Wright Flint Baker Magnússon Brownhill Smith Pack Bryan Reid Paterson That effectively is the team that played the football that is seen as Lee Johnson;s peak ending really in Jan 2018. Mr Johnson was then given years and tens of millions in resource not to progress that football but to entirely abandon playing football in that manner again. Mr Holden has had a fraction of opportunity Lee Johnson had to fail at meeting his stated own aims. Would you not give Mr Holden similar opportunities to Mr Johnson?
This is it. We can all huff and puff about the Johnsons and DH, but I’ll put 50p on the situation being that Lee and Deano in particular were the only candidates willing to buy into the Bristol Sport structure. No ‘pedigree’ manager would tolerate a setup where Mark Ashton is above them in the pecking order. I THINK (I could be wrong) that Sunderland have a similar setup - which Lee is willing to tolerate but not many others would.
It depends on whether an improvement in league position, however small, every season, is still an improvement, or if ‘pretty’ football is more important. There’s no right or wrong - it’s opinions.
That team was beating premiership teams in cups, and in a automatic promotion position. Mr Johnson took that high tempo, short passing, high pressing 4-4-1-1/ 4-4-2-0 formation and decided not to recruit to that system, not to pursue it with the players he had. That is not opinion, It was Mr Johnson choice.
It's not anger, just didn't see the point in changing the coach we had without a progressive plan or a manager renowned to make the difference that was required. All just seemed a pointless exercise unless we were looking to make sweeping changes to setup etc.....It's not happened. Same old same old. I hope that Deano manages to sort out some players in the transfer window and turn things around. I agree, the last couple of seasons wasn't great under LJ for whatever reason and pointed out like many on here where we were lacking, I also said, pretty much similar to now, we are are a few players and a leader on the pitch away from being a decent side. For what it's worth, my thoughts haven't changed.
As I've said a million times, there is more than one way to play a football match. Championship quite often requires grinding out results not always playing tippy tappy. LJ did try to changes things, maybe too often when either injuries occurred or when results weren't going our way. I don't have a problem with that, but maybe lost his way in doing so.. maybe showed his inexperience. Deano has been with the club as long as LJ, an advantage in the great scheme of things. He knows the setup and the players well. He knew the expectations. I want him to get it right and turn it around.....but there should not be excuses..
Yes you have waffled a lot about there being more than one way to win a football match but Mr Johnson stated he was going to put in place an identity and playing principles throughout the club. He also stated that players would fit (dna) the project. Well he failed. You begrudgingly appear to be conceding that Mr Holden should have some degree of opportunity with a caveat that you did not give Mr Johnson.
