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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Wolverhampton Wanderers

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PleaseNotPoll, Dec 26, 2020.

  1. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    Yeh Jose needs to be careful about talkin outa his arse

    I’ve known Diego for a long time on here therefore I recognise bullshit when I see it so with that in mind...Jose needs to sort himself out
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Diego’s just like Sucky nowadays, bro. Spends so much time here he’s part of the furniture. He’s one of us, even if he’ll never admit it, lol.
     
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  3. The RDBD

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    I'm sure Levi will meet whatever denim demands Jose makes.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    C Kane hit the nail on the head, but probably not in the way he expected: our style of play is exhausting, but not for us - but the players

    The same thing has been happening too often in the last month or so: we take the lead in the first half, sit back to try and grind out a narrow win, take off our attacking players such as Son and Ndombele due to their getting knackered chasing down the ball and sit back deeper, and eventually find a way to see that lead vanish

    If we fought for the ball in midfield for the entire game, rather than until we had the lead and before we hand over midfield for the remainder of the game, results would improve

    Also, we'd be less likely to concede ten corners in a match, which is asking for trouble considering that we can't defend set pieces worth a damn
     
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  5. PowerSpurs

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    So we've scored more goals in the first 15 mins than anyone and conceded a lot in the last 15 mins. Since I know of no plausible strategy that could cause this I am going to suggest that it is mostly random.

    But football matches last ninety minutes and since most goals are caused by mistakes which are more common as players tire, there are more goals in the last few minutes.

    Why anyone thinks that this is an indication of something being wrong is beyond me.

    We are exactly on course to finish top four and still in all three cups. Mourinho's style of play is not my cup of tea but it is slightly more likely to deliver trophies than Pochettino's so let's see what happens.
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    It's the reverse of what Steve Bruce does.
    We attack well until we score, then we sit back and absorb pressure until we concede.
     
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  7. SpursDisciple

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    Subtle.
     
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  8. The RDBD

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    Still in the fight for a PL top 4 place is putting it charitably.
     
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  9. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    Lets say the teams around Spurs win their games in hand then it would still only leave Spurs 3 points off 4th

    The problem is the recent games, the team doesn’t look like winning many and look so easy to play against. Also Kane and Son aren’t at their best (tiredness maybe) and without those two I can’t see where enough goals are coming from
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    This is either interesting or tedious, but here's a record of when Wolves won each of their nine corners

    16th minute
    30th minute
    46th minute
    47th minute
    52nd minute
    66th minute
    68th minute
    81st minute
    86th minute (led to goal)

    I really cannot get my head around this, as not only are our weaknesses from set pieces abundantly clear to everyone at this point coupled with Roman Saiss being a threat from corners, but the fact we gave away two of them within a couple of minutes of the second half kicking off is the exact sort of thing that gives opponents momentum

    In comparison we had two corners in the game, one in the 1st minute and the other in the 96th, which certainly paints a picture

    And here's something else which paints a picture
     
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  11. PowerSpurs

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    Only if you don't notice that we've only lost to the current top three and we've got more games against the weaker teams to come.
     
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  12. The RDBD

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    Only if you don't have a "season compass" ...
     
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  13. PowerSpurs

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    Your season compass is based on last year's results. So losing to Everton shows a loss and losing to Sheffield Utd would break even. That doesn't reflect this year's form which should be more relevant.
     
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    It tells me that for the PL season to date, "this year's form" is
    effectively no different to that which existed for the sum of all
    equivalent games last season.

    So please feel free to tell us (based on "this years' form" ) what you
    believe, come May, will be the increase in pts/GF/GA over last season.
     
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  15. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    Sorry but no.

    We score goals when we attack...because we have 2 of the best strikers in the world. We attack until we score...

    ...then we defend. We concede because we don't have the best defenders in the world...and as the game progresses, they tire and lose concentration...just as the the opposition become increasingly desperate and throw more players forward. We don't offer any threat on the counter, so the opposition don't need to worry about it. The whole world knows that we're dodgy at dead ball situations, so the pattern just keeps on repeating.

    Either we buy half of a new team or Mourinho needs to up his game and vary his tactics. I'm not expecting to see either. He'll continue with this nonsense until we have no choice but to sack him.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    The fact that, in the second 45 minutes of our last six games, we've had the grand total of five shots on target is alarming

    We're willingly surrendering midfield, which not only invited pressure onto our backline where there's at least two players with a guaranteed mistake in them playing every game, we're also starving our forwards of service
     
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  17. Blue and White

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    If we look at our weakness at defending and particularly the set pieces where we are conceding most, it shows up the weakness of Lloris.
    He has more time than most to see where the ball is heading from the set piece, yet he refuses to come and meet it ( catch or punch ).
    A lot of our players are criticized , and many are accused at not being good enough for us-Lloris gets away with too much.
    I suggest looking back at a compilation of all those set piece goals we have conceded this season and see if we couldn't have defended them better if our goalie would come of his line.

    It's time we looked for a new keeper. City and Liverpool both needed to change their keeper to move to the next level- time has come for Lloris to go.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    Pass map time, and at this point it's clear that a lot of the issues are tactical

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    Think about what most pass maps look like: Hojbjerg on the left of the pivot being the only CM to receive passes out of the back while Sissoko on the right of the pivot doesn't receive any, meaning that Aurier isn't being covered by a reliable tackler. So we covered this in part by switching Hiojbjerg to the right of the pivot (which I've been suggesting for the last two games) but there's an obvious issue, namely that while Dier is passing to both Winks and Hojbjerg to get the ball moving Sanchez simply isn't passing it forward at all and is instead either handing it off to Dier or laying it off to Doherty, and considering how many games since the West Scam game we've seen that pattern in (but not in the Europa league) it's clearly a tactical decision

    Similarly, as happens with our right when Sissoko plays, there's a huge gap on the left where there should be passes from Winks or Ndombele out to Reguilon but there simply aren't, instead there's that jumbled mess between Winks, Hojbjerg and Dier and a slightly less jumbled mess between Winks, Hojbjerg and Ndombele that also shows that Winks and Hojbjerg were occupying a very narrow space in midfield and Winks should have been drifting a little further left to link between Davies, Reguilon, Ndombele and Kane

    The fact Kane's drifted so far to the left is also an issue, as we have less of a focal point

    And then we look at Wolves

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    First of all, you can see the surrender of midfield with Moutinho, Neves and Silva not only being available for passes from the CBs and from out wide, but you can also see them spraying about passes to whoever the hell they feel like. On top of that, look at their left flank, which is our right flank: Marcal and Neto are linking up practically unopposed down that flank, with Neto also being able to find Podence and Silva with similar reliability and get his fair share into Moutinho so we're still not shutting down that flank even though it continues to be an issue (one we exacerbate by sitting back so much and letting opponents take control) while you can see the left flank is comparatively well guarded as Traore is getting the ball but is unable to play in anyone when he has it, although Semedo is still able to get the ball to Moutinho and Silva pretty reliably

    We're literally looking at us surrendering midfield and what happens when we do here, and it's ugly viewing
     
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  19. PowerSpurs

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    I think we will have at least 10 more points over the full season cf last year....assuming Son and Kane stay fit as we average more than 2 points a game when they play.
     
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    We have an astonishingly good record of not conceding from open play and a slightly poor one of conceding from set pieces. I have a suspicion that that is because we are conceding more fouls and corners in preventing goals in open play.
    Anyway, if this is a simple weakness that could be easily sorted, then with a competent manager we would have 5 more points and be top of the league. Which would be surprising given that most on here think we have loads of deadwood in the squad.
     
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